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Read or ear ? What do you prefer ?

It’s not up to me— I do some gigs that require reading.
The arrangements could be memorized but the time required makes it difficult.
Much easier and certainly more profitable to read the parts.
 
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There is a HUGE difference between playing notes and making music.

When I played trombone in bands, symphonies, and orchestras, it was expected that the score was followed as precisely as possible. Jazz... not so much, but I found this difficult.

When I play by ear, as I do with my bass, I feel like I am making music. For me, so much of playing bass is feel anyway, so not being tied to a score provides creative/artistic freedom.
 
It would be great if the music that I listen to was all on accessible sheet music.
But it isn't!
So I have to use my ear for everything.


When I get stuff that isn't available I do the transcription myself. Whatever version will be performed is where I start. When I get to the gig or rehearsal, I know how the part was done, have it accurately notated, and just play it to fit in with others without being an ass about everyone sticking to the recording.
 
When I get stuff that isn't available I do the transcription myself. Whatever version will be performed is where I start. When I get to the gig or rehearsal, I know how the part was done, have it accurately notated, and just play it to fit in with others without being an ass about everyone sticking to the recording.
How many can transcribe an Allan Holdsworth,Return To Forever,or Steve Morse tune?
And then KNOW that it's accurate?
 
When I get stuff that isn't available I do the transcription myself
Yeah, I agree with this. I do this out of necessity. When I get handed a 30 song setlist that I don’t know, with a week till the first rehearsal, it’s a must. It takes me an hour to learn and memorize a song by ear—I can transcribe it in 15 minutes, then read it later.
 
On a gig I always play from memory. I learnt the songs whichever way was easiest….ear, YouTube, tab, notation…whatever gets in in my brain. Never had a sheet on the gig.

When I am playing for fun, I’ll find the notation for a tune I like and play along. So a mixture of reading and listening. The actual reading of notation is part of the fun, it is visually more stimulating than TAB.

At a jam I’ll play by ear if I have to … this usually means pre-empting chord changes and listening carefully for strange movements. I can do it, but I hate it. I’d much rather have a chord chart and I’ll create the bass.

I would love to be able to sight-read more complex lines (see & play, no learning. The same way I read words on this page). Anything more than a simple 8th note rhythm and I’ll need to hear it first to get it right.
 
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For me, it's whatever it takes. Written music can reach a level of complexity that can't be achieved in any other way, which makes it such a blast to play in a big-band, orchestra, string quartet, etc. And truth be told, you're never completely reliant on the printed notes. Ear music can reach its own level of interaction and intensity.

Playing by ear isn't a panacea. I've observed older people trying to learn things like folk music, fiddling, etc. The biggest hurdle for them is that you're expected to learn songs by ear, and sheet music is frowned upon. But when beginners are simultaneously struggling with technique, intonation, etc., having to internalize a tune under pressure results in cognitive overload. I've seen people get discouraged to the point where they give up. If I have a chance to talk with them, I always strongly suggest that they stay away from the jam sessions, and get some sheet music to learn from. They will eventually have to cope with the jam session atmosphere, but not right away.
What he said 100%.
 
I've noticed in the last many years that musicians aren't reading as much as they used to . When I was playing mostly horns (in the early 70s) it was much easier to learn a song with the music written out for you . Of course , then , I was doing stuff that required playing as written . But , since I've gone to bass full time , it seems to be a mostly ear thing . Now , it's nice to have a score handy for reference . But , I think you get better feel when you play by ear . It leaves you open to your own interpretations . And having a good drummer to work with makes it even better .

I think it depends on how anal the arranger/writer is. Personally, I prefer rhythm charts that have the road map of the song, with lyrics. These have slash marks for the beats of the measures, and if there specific notes or passages that need to be played, they can be written out. However, if the gig is “Thou shalt play no note that is not written on the paper” so be it.

Having charts on a IPad is the best way to go.
 
I keep my reading chops up by reading random materials. My favorite is the Arban's trombone book. I turn to any page an go at it.

That being said, I have rarely "needed" to read in years. I was blessed with a pretty good ear. Most songs I have to play these days I start the song on my computer and I am jamming along by the end of it. I scratch a rough chart and maybe a margin note or two and I'm good to go.

There are exceptions, but they are rare.

That being said, I'm not exactly doing Rush or Yes tribute band gigs either.
 
While I can do both equally well, I prefer to read when learning new music. But, I just enjoy reading music in general. I love studying music and scores. For example, the wife and I went to the symphony last night. We had box seats right against the stage and right behind the principal bass. I took my opera glasses and followed along with his music over his shoulder. When he was resting, I was able to see either the 2nd violin part or the cello part.
 
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