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Reading music and elitism

#421
Roy Vogt said:
Now that's fun! :) I remember that photo shoot for Simplicity. That's Victor Wooten's 1 string bass-I thought it would be a fun thing to have for the inner sleeve shoot since I recorded the CD with 6 and 7 strings (if you've ever seen the CD cover you get the joke):
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You must have found the interview I did with Warren Murchie for Global Bass. That was a while back:
http://www.globalbass.com/archives/june2001/roy_vogt.htm
http://www.globalbass.com/archives/sept2000/roy_vogt.htm
Yep, I toured for a little over 7 years with Englebert-that was a fun gig! While I was there I recorded with him twice for Universal Records and also played on the Live at the Palladium DVD.u
Allmusic doesn't have everything but here's a short list:
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/roy-vogt-p508859/credits
There's a ton of Indie stuff I've done that doesn't show up there.
I guess it goes to show that everything is alive on the Internet somewhere. I just wish I could go back and airbrush off the 30 pounds I've lost....;)
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You are correct!! I was on the globalbass archive site. Was looking at a lesson by Lucas Pickford on deciphering chord symbols. In the process I ran that interview. I have to listen to a CD titled Simplicity recorded with six and seven string basses. Right now i'm still searching for true understanding of the four string.
 
#425
Roy Vogt said:
That's just my general observation of teaching about 1000 bass students over the last 30 years. About a year of intensive reading work will give most people a good grasp of reading. The key seems to be consistency as far as improvement. Of course, everybody brings a different set of innate ability to the table and that's a factor.
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And it holds true, do the work and the results will follow.
This is why tab works for players because they can count, they do not need to learn a new skill set, they use the ones they grew up with....numbers and counting.
This is why tab results are fast because it uses what we already know, and if we remember back to learning to count once we had it we then adapted it, so addition, subtraction, multiplication and division became possible......music is no different, once the core skill sets are developed other things open up and make sense.
 
#429
With all due respect (Geneva Conventions), I just read several pages of this thread, and I laughed my arse off about all the irony and contradiction.

Opinions went from hating that non-readers view readers as elitists, to how you're lazy and [incompetent] if you can't take the time out to learn how to read. And although I commend a few of you for having "reading gigs," please climb down from that horse before you get a nosebleed, or fall and hurt yourself.
 
#431
smeet said:
Or at least, only the Church should be allowed to read and write. The commoners can use Tab and grunting to communicate, should be fine for rock'n'roll. :D
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Now that would make it elitist now wouldn't it? Come to think of it the reverse psychology would probably encourage more people to read. Soooooo If you learn to read music you will burn in hell unless you've admitted that you can read under duress of torture and ask for forgiveness, only then are you allowed to die. Hooray for the Dark Ages. No one expects the TalkBass Inquisition :-P
 
#433
the benefits to learning standard notation go far beyond simply getting "reading gigs".
These benefits accrue at all points along the journey - long before you can sight read, your understanding of music will be clarified and more concise.

Those who avoid notation may aren't necessarily lazy/incompetent...just busy/uninterested...but they are definately missing out on a useful facet of musical understanding
 
#436
One of the biggest problems reading music might cause for people is that they might end up studying theory (which as you know limits creativity) and they could even develop an interest in learning to write arrangements (get all bossy, "you play this").:hiding:
 
#437
Curtybob said:
With all due respect (Geneva Conventions), I just read several pages of this thread, and I laughed my arse off about all the irony and contradiction.

Opinions went from hating that non-readers view readers as elitists, to how you're lazy and [incompetent] if you can't take the time out to learn how to read. And although I commend a few of you for having "reading gigs," please climb down from that horse before you get a nosebleed, or fall and hurt yourself.
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Waaaaaahh! Someone said something that could help me! Waaaaaahh!

:D
 
#438
Curtybob said:
With all due respect (Geneva Conventions), I just read several pages of this thread, and I laughed my arse off about all the irony and contradiction.

Opinions went from hating that non-readers view readers as elitists, to how you're lazy and [incompetent] if you can't take the time out to learn how to read. And although I commend a few of you for having "reading gigs," please climb down from that horse before you get a nosebleed, or fall and hurt yourself.
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So then... the thread was fine for you when the attack on the 'elitists' was occurring, but soured for you when the elitists stood up and said "We consider it a badge of honor rather than a smear"??

No one who has spent the time & effort to attain a skill has any reason to apologize for being proud of their ability. No high horse, just simple skill/accomplishment/ability.
 
#439
coyote1 said:
So then... the thread was fine for you when the attack on the 'elitists' was occurring, but soured for you when the elitists stood up and said "We consider it a badge of honor rather than a smear"??

No one who has spent the time & effort to attain a skill has any reason to apologize for being proud of their ability. No high horse, just simple skill/accomplishment/ability.
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Your missing the obvious. People aren't attacking the skill they're attacking the attitude. You can be proud of your ability that's fine. But to be proud of having an elitist attitude isn't the same as being proud of being able to read music.

If you really think that being able to read music puts you in an elite then it's hardly a very difficult entry requirement. I can read, I wouldn't consider myself in an elite because of that, but you know, whatever floats your boat.
 
#440
People keep telling you something over and over, and you'll start to believe it. That's what happened to me. Didn't think it was any sort of elitism before I started this thread, and people in this thread have told me how elitist we were because of it, and now I believe it.
 

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