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Really enjoyed Timothy Schmit last night & Eagles

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jk222 said:
Timothy Schmit may not be a full partner now, but he may have been, or close to it, when he first joined in the late 1970's. Poco was a well-known national touring band, and being in Poco was a good gig. The story I always heard was that the Eagles made him an offer he couldn't refuse to jump ship. I have always assumed that meant a full partnership, although I don't have enough knowledge to know this for certain. Perhaps someone else has more info. It is also my understanding that the Eagles partnership structure has changed, so he is less of a partner now. But I have a sense that his legal standing was enough so that he was still the bass player when they reformed for Hell Freezes Over.
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don't mistake getting your name and face in publicity photos and singing a song with being a full partner. i'm sure he and joe are paid well but they have never been full partners. full partners implies an even money split, and is almost always enjoyed by the original members only, if that. some bands don't even do that. don and glenn are the leaders and take most of the money. and considering that poco had only one hit song and didn't really sell a ton of albums, i'm sure the eagles could have doubled his poco pay and still have money left over from what randy meisner made.
 
#22
jk222 said:
Poco was an amazing band when Timothy Schmit was with them, especially when Richie Furay, Jim Messina and Rusty Young were all members. Without Poco, there would be no Eagles, as the Eagles based their style on Poco (Randy Meisner was Poco's original bass player before becoming a founding member of the Eagles). I've always liked Timothy Schmit's bass playing. His style reminds me of Paul McCartney. His bass lines are clean, always musical and fit the songs perfectly. I recall reading somewhere that when Randy Meisner left the Eagles they didn't bother with auditions, they just went out and got Timothy Schmit. It's likely that they offered him a full partnership to lure him away from Poco.
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+1 I had the pleasure of seeing Poco live during that era (mid 70's maybe?). Great playing, songwriting, and vocals.

For you Poco fans who might be perusing this thread, Richie Furay just released a double live CD that is quite good. Great to hear those tunes, from Poco, Buffalo Springfield, Souther, Hillman and Furay, etc., etc.
 
#25
I had the pleasure of meeting Poco back in '71, when they were recording the "From The Inside" album at TMI studio in Memphis. Steve cropper was producing my ex girlfriend and he had left Stax to form TMI.

I remember thinking Tim looked like he was about fifteen at the time. Heck, I was only nineteen, but he's actually four years older than me!

I also remember meeting Richie Furay and thinking," WOW!" "I'm actually shaking hands with a Buffalo Springfield". :cool:
 
#26
Just recently read the new interview with Schmit in BP magazine. For a guy with those credits, INCREDIBLY humble. The guy knows how to take a song to another level (with his bass AND his vocals).

I realize it's always easy for random people to drop stories about a celeb to smear their reputation, but I've heard soooo many anecdotes about Henley (from people in the service industry, etc) that I'm convinced the guy is a pure douche. That, or there is a conspiracy of epic proportions to make him look bad(?).
 
#28
jbl71004 said:
Just recently read the new interview with Schmit in BP magazine. For a guy with those credits, INCREDIBLY humble. The guy knows how to take a song to another level (with his bass AND his vocals).

I realize it's always easy for random people to drop stories about a celeb to smear their reputation, but I've heard soooo many anecdotes about Henley (from people in the service industry, etc) that I'm convinced the guy is a pure douche. That, or there is a conspiracy of epic proportions to make him look bad(?).
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let's just say he didn't get the nickname nikon don for nothing. and he did plead guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor after a 16 year old hooker had a seizure at his house brought on by too much coke and quaaludes. and he is a major douche in interviews with direct quotes to prove it. not hard to find.

but my favorite henley douche story is how joe walsh went on howard stern and sang "desperado." henley told him never to do it again, saying "accept no substitutes" when asked about it in an interview. then he cancelled the first planned eagles reunion and delayed it for 5 years when joe got talked into doing it again on howard's tv show. honestly, i don't know joe takes that crap. sure, he wouldn't make as MUCH money as he would with the eagles, but is money that important when you're already filthy rich?

i guess it is.
 
#29
JimmyM said:
don't mistake getting your name and face in publicity photos and singing a song with being a full partner. i'm sure he and joe are paid well but they have never been full partners. full partners implies an even money split, and is almost always enjoyed by the original members only, if that. some bands don't even do that. don and glenn are the leaders and take most of the money. and considering that poco had only one hit song and didn't really sell a ton of albums, i'm sure the eagles could have doubled his poco pay and still have money left over from what randy meisner made.
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Without specific knowledge of what the Eagles offered Tim when he first joined, it's just speculation. However, as a fan of Poco who followed him into the Eagles, it is my recollection that it was written about somewhere that they offered him a partnership. It is not unusual in corporations for one partner to leave and for another person to become a new partner, especially if the company wants the new person enough. Timothy Schmit was always a perfect fit for the Eagles. This may have happened with the Eagles with Tim. You would have to ask them, but I doubt if they would discuss it. It doesn't matter how many hits Poco had at the time. Either the Eagles offered him a partnership or they didn't.
 
#30
jk222 said:
Without specific knowledge of what the Eagles offered Tim when he first joined, it's just speculation. However, as a fan of Poco who followed him into the Eagles, it is my recollection that it was written about somewhere that they offered him a partnership. It is not unusual in corporations for one partner to leave and for another person to become a new partner, especially if the company wants the new person enough. Timothy Schmit was always a perfect fit for the Eagles. This may have happened with the Eagles with Tim. You would have to ask them, but I doubt if they would discuss it. It doesn't matter how many hits Poco had at the time. Either the Eagles offered him a partnership or they didn't.
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again, don't mistake being made a full member of the band as a partnership. the eagles are definitely NOT a partnership, and to hear glenn and don tell it, they never have been.
 
#31
JimmyM said:
again, don't mistake being made a full member of the band as a partnership. the eagles are definitely NOT a partnership, and to hear glenn and don tell it, they never have been.
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+1, Schmit was never a full partner, and even less so after the reunion, that was one of the reasons they let Felder go, he didn't want to become less than a full partner, even though one of their biggest hits 'Hotel California' was mostly his.
 
#33
From Don Felder's wiki:

"In his latter complaint, Felder alleged that from the 1994 Hell Freezes Over tour onward, Henley and Frey had "...insisted that they each receive a higher percentage of the band's profits...", whereas the money had previously been split in five equal portions."

This would suggest that prior to 1994 (i.e. when Schmitt joined), the pie was split equally five ways (i.e. equal partner).
 
#34
elgecko said:
From Don Felder's wiki:

"In his latter complaint, Felder alleged that from the 1994 Hell Freezes Over tour onward, Henley and Frey had "...insisted that they each receive a higher percentage of the band's profits...", whereas the money had previously been split in five equal portions."

This would suggest that prior to 1994 (i.e. when Schmitt joined), the pie was split equally five ways (i.e. equal partner).
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ok, so maybe i was wrong. sue me ;)
 

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