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Really need advice before buying! 71 J OMG

Understanding all the aspects that have been mentioned here and are well intended. I do know when you bond with an instrument and many things fly out the window and there sometimes there is no price ( or there is) on that. Also check for for dead spots. Try some other new Fenders, see how they fit and respond with you. Go back to the shop in question here, sit down with that bass and if you still can't shake it, go in with what cash you want to spend lay it on the table. You take it or leave it.
 
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Buy the bass if you want, no one here will give a second thought about it lol. However, most here are trying to give you sound advice. After buying several dozen basses over the past 12 years, I have learned a little about what can be sold as break even or for a profit and what can cost you hundreds of dollars when it comes time to sell. An original 71 J is worth some serious $$$ if it's neck is good. A parts bass (which is the one you are looking at), is worth the sum of parts. That body, pickups, bridge, and pickguard do not equate to a whole lot. MJT can build and finish a white J body that blows that one away cosmetically for $375. So maybe there is $500 or so value in everything except the neck. Maybe.

The neck is the prize. I am like everyone else here...the neck makes the bass and I love early to mid 70's necks. Let's say the truss is in great shape and there's no twists or ski jumps. $900-1000?

Value of parts is far less than $2500. I still would consider it at $1300. But your comment about them putting it on Reverb and getting $2300...it could happen but it would have to be someone who doesn't know better.

If you could get it for $1300, I'd play it as is or start to slowly piece together a '71 from parts.
 
Ok Ok guys I get it.
It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Most likely my next step will be calling them and offering 1400$. They probably won't even go below 2k, most likely.
We will not agree. Then They'll upload it to reverb asking 2500. It will get sold within a week or two by someone who will offer 2-2.3k and doesn't know any better. He'll be happy with it... the end
Excellent idea, but don't CALL and offer 1400...SHOW UP with 1400 in your hand!
The reason you may feel as if you are not a good negotiator is because you don't want to walk away! That gives them a very strong position.
Perhaps tell them the reason for only 1400 dollars (refinish, non original electronics), and show them what other basses have SOLD FOR, not what sellers have listed them.
I think you have a good chance.
Do not decide by emotion, entirely.
The best thing about that bass is you playing it. Alone, it is only wood.
 
Excellent idea, but don't CALL and offer 1400...SHOW UP with 1400 in your hand!
The reason you may feel as if you are not a good negotiator is because you don't want to walk away! That gives them a very strong position.
Perhaps tell them the reason for only 1400 dollars (refinish, non original electronics), and show them what other basses have SOLD FOR, not what sellers have listed them.
I think you have a good chance.
Do not decide by emotion, entirely.
The best thing about that bass is you playing it. Alone, it is only wood.
Thank you so much man!
And thanks to everyone I really appreciate it
 
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There have been times when I have overpaid (maybe $100 - $200) on an instrument, if there was something really special about it to me or I knew it would be difficult to find another. I don't know if this applies to the OP being a new bassist -- you need to decide, but I think most of us agree that it is not worth anywhere near $2300.
 
A brand new American Pro or Elite would be much better and cheaper than that 71.

Sure? I've no experience with Fender, but with other guitars and basses I found older one from specific periods to be better; maybe the aging (or drying) of the wood? Or the choice of wood? Who knows. Just saying, I wouldn't easily compare an old with a new instrument just money-wise; there's much more happening in 46 years than a change in price, IMO. Might be '71 was a splendid period for Fenders - for certain players.
 
I like the bass as is...for $1200. I'd definitely check over the neck really good...make sure that truss is pretty much flush with the heel, turns both ways, and has no twists or rise in the upper fret area. If the neck checked out good and the tuners are original, then I would offer them $1200 max if it plays well and has good resonance unplugged.
This is solid advice!
 
3 bolt micro tilt for jazz bass started full time in 1975. Precision bass has always been 4 bolt
Nope. These kicked in very late in '71/early '72 and there's quite some inconsistency from model to model as well. This is where the downfall of CBS-era Fenders started big time, IME. I'd much rather have a beaten up 4-bolt body/neck than a nice 3-bolt one when it comes to stuff from this era. Obviously, YMMV.



It was Poly from the factory, so no loss there. Refin is a refin, and a poor one like this is worse than getting a completely stripped instrument IMO.



If OP is after an early 70s JB, he could simply add a few more bucks and get a decent one...AVRIs are a very different animal altogether.
 
All '71 Fender basses were poly
No three bolt neck plate for that year?. The wear on the back looks suspiciously faked to me. I can see buckle rash, but not way up into the horn and around the top of the heel. The Refin looks more like a poly than an expected nitro lacquer. Something tells me it's not exactly what it's claimed to be. For around that kind of money you could get one of the highly acclaimed AVRI instruments.
 
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Reverb.

Ok thanks all for the advice. I'll try to negotiate the price further.
Keep in mind my main pro for this bass is it sounds and feels like a dream. I honestly never thought I'd get that feeling from a Bass (that is somewhat within my price range). So I got carried away...
And I'm not in to online buying I don't have an address in the US just traveling here now. So unless it's an absolute bargain which is pretty much non existent I would not buy online. This one I tried... so maybe now I'll wait for them to upload it to reverb and pray no one else buys it. I have a feeling however this one will not "sit"...
Hey man, been reading a lot of the posts and I agree with most of them. I would definitely try to pay way less than $2,000 given the many non-original things about the bass, however if it speaks to you like no other has, then you might regret not purchasing it. That's happened to me before and boy do I regret it. On the other hand I have gone into a store, picked up a bass that sounded incredible, and then come back played the same bass a month later and it just didn't do much for me at all. Might sound weird but I think our ears hear different things on different days. Anyways that's just my two cents, but the guys are right, make sure to authenticate it in terms especially of the body and neck so that you know you're not getting ripped off. $1,600 U.S. dollars cash on the counter would probably speak loudly to the seller. You could keep an extra hundo in your pocket just in case they won't let it go for that, if you really want it that bad. :D
 
Well it's good I at least know now for a fact that it's overpriced that gives me confidence to look in the coming month while I'm in the US for an alternative giving them time to maybe consider going down.
What makes you think I am claiming to be an expert?
I think I know a thing or two about people more than about bass tho..
White+Tort with nice wear with proper photos taken... people will want it regardless of price.
Btw it's nice to see at least a couple of you backing up the wood 1st approach.
I compared it to a few other old and new bass they had and it was on another league in terms of sound and feel.

But two things going on here.

1st - there aren't ALOT of people in the 70's market with $2500 disposable that are willing to spend it on a non-collectible instrument. Those that are in that market are buying vintage - not player. This bass is a player. You have felt it and can attest to it. Me looking at the pictures am saying to myself No - I don't think so.

2nd - it looks like crap. Sorry - I know you like it. Most people wont. The wear is fake looking. The whole is less than the sum of its parts.

This bass isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Make a cheap offer. $1000. That way when you discover some other ugly thing about it you won't feel too bad. Tell them you'll be looking while you're in town for the next 10 days and they can call you if they really want to sell it.

It IS a buyers market right now. You hold all the cards. There are tons of basses better than this on for sale right now.

I just bought TWO Musicman basses for under $1800 combined. Nice stuff. If I had need for a Jazz Bass, I would immediately grab this:

For Sale/Trade - Valenti #33 w/ Nordstrand dual coils

I have NO DOUBT this Valenti would blow away ANYTHING 1970's Fender. For half of the asking price of the parts pup.