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Recommendations for a good color refinishing shop (with good pricing)?

I just got a Dingwall NG-2 5-string in Ducati White. It's not my first choice of color but it was a good deal with a mint condition. I'm thinking of refinishing it to a color I want. I asked around locally and it seems I'd have to ship it to a shop somewhere since there doesn't seem to be any one in the Sacramento, California area who offers this service. One of the places I called recommended this place: Marty Bell Finishing - PREMIER GUITAR FINISHING

The price seems fairly reasonable. I still have to hear back to see if he can do the color I want on a Dingwall. In the mean-time, I'd like to ask fellow members here if there are refinishing shops relatively close to my location that you'd recommend (does a good job, good price)?
 
Seems like this may be one to stay away from: Invalid Link Removed

I would suggest Pat Wilkins as another option to check out.

OMG those horror stories in the comments too. Looks like I just dodged another bullet. What is with all this fraud in the musical instrument world? I just almost got ripped off yesterday when a seller tried to sell me a bass he already sold (and got him banned here and at Reverb), and the good folks here warned me about him. Now I feel like I must run everything I intent to buy/get serviced here just to be sure. Thanks for the tip!
 
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I asked Pat of Simcustomshop about that blog post, and this was his response:

"How far did you have to dig to scrape that out? I caution against believing things that you read on forums from nearly 10 years ago from random sources many of which have posted the same horror story on multiple forums under multiple names. It's a long story but I have far too much to do to even attempt to get into it.

Sims Custom Shop google reviews, these go back 3+ years, 91 submitted just in the last few years, 4.6 our of 5 rating.

If you would prefer to go somewhere else and that will be fine, we have a mountain of work to do (and for good reason).

Btw, we have just over 2500 COMPLETED & PAINTED guitars we've done documented on our website/Instagram (which is updated almost daily with newly completed projects. You don't achieve that by keeping peoples guitars and not finishing them.

The 4.6 out of 5 start rating on google, the 2500+ documented completed guitars on our Instagram/Facebook & website, 200+ videos of completed projects on our website I believe speaks for itself and speakers volumes. You will find no one else who can even come close to competing with that (no one who will have more documented completed jobs (2500+), no one with more documented YouTube videos of completed jobs, no one with MORE positive reviews on google (91) and no painters who are probably capable of disassembling your bass AND painting it without making the neon splotchy.

If you can find someone who surpasses all of those things then my hats off to them and you can go with them if it gives you piece of mind.

Final point......we probably refinish more guitars than anyone in the US and quite possibly the world. We've been really bad for business for some of our competitors over the last 19 years, many of which are now out of business actually and some of which have went to great lengths to attempt to put us out of business (by posting horror story reviews on multiple forums as their favorite (or their own website), easiest & fastest tool of choice....bc once it's posted it's there forever....to create confusion & uncertainty.)

Instagram page: Sims Guitar Refinishing (@simscustomshopguitars) • Instagram photos and videos

YouTube: SimsCustomGuitars

Do you own a business? If so tell me the name of it.....and if the course of several months I can litter the internet, BBB, Yelp, google, YouTube and other outlets with enough negative press that people would be scared to death to do business with you......"

My reply to him:

"I wasn't actively trying to dig up stuff. I simply asked on talkbass forums for refinishing shop recommendations, and someone shared that link and advised me to be careful, since your shop was one of the ones I was considering.

I know you must be frustrated and feel indignant. No business has a perfect record, so there's always something negative if you look hard enough. How companies handle negative reviews differ. Have you tried addressing that guy's blog post and all those people in the comments who said they also never got their instruments back? It would seem like the wise thing to do--to actually explain what happened in that comments section."

Anyway, I've decided to hold off on refinishing the bass for now, until I can find a local shop with a physical location I can actually drive to, because I'm now a bit nervous to ship it off to a shop I can't get to if the same thing ends up happening to me.
 
These two are some of the lower prices I've found. Anyone have experience with them?

Online Store - GuitarPaintGuys Custom Guitar Finishing

I often hesitate to give a positive review because I'd hate for someone to take my advice and than have things go badly....but I used guitar paint guys to repaint my Squier Musicmaster in Candy Apple Red. I was extremely happy with the quality of the paint work at a reasonable price. My only complaint was when they had it for longer than anticipated I had to initiate communication with them.

Another possibility is having it painted by someone who does auto body work, just a thought.

This is the bass, good luck with your choice.
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I asked Pat of Simcustomshop about that blog post, and this was his response:

"How far did you have to dig to scrape that out? I caution against believing things that you read on forums from nearly 10 years ago from random sources many of which have posted the same horror story on multiple forums under multiple names. It's a long story but I have far too much to do to even attempt to get into it.

Sims Custom Shop google reviews, these go back 3+ years, 91 submitted just in the last few years, 4.6 our of 5 rating.

If you would prefer to go somewhere else and that will be fine, we have a mountain of work to do (and for good reason).

Btw, we have just over 2500 COMPLETED & PAINTED guitars we've done documented on our website/Instagram (which is updated almost daily with newly completed projects. You don't achieve that by keeping peoples guitars and not finishing them.

The 4.6 out of 5 start rating on google, the 2500+ documented completed guitars on our Instagram/Facebook & website, 200+ videos of completed projects on our website I believe speaks for itself and speakers volumes. You will find no one else who can even come close to competing with that (no one who will have more documented completed jobs (2500+), no one with more documented YouTube videos of completed jobs, no one with MORE positive reviews on google (91) and no painters who are probably capable of disassembling your bass AND painting it without making the neon splotchy.

If you can find someone who surpasses all of those things then my hats off to them and you can go with them if it gives you piece of mind.

Final point......we probably refinish more guitars than anyone in the US and quite possibly the world. We've been really bad for business for some of our competitors over the last 19 years, many of which are now out of business actually and some of which have went to great lengths to attempt to put us out of business (by posting horror story reviews on multiple forums as their favorite (or their own website), easiest & fastest tool of choice....bc once it's posted it's there forever....to create confusion & uncertainty.)

Instagram page: Sims Guitar Refinishing (@simscustomshopguitars) • Instagram photos and videos

YouTube: SimsCustomGuitars

Do you own a business? If so tell me the name of it.....and if the course of several months I can litter the internet, BBB, Yelp, google, YouTube and other outlets with enough negative press that people would be scared to death to do business with you......"

My reply to him:

"I wasn't actively trying to dig up stuff. I simply asked on talkbass forums for refinishing shop recommendations, and someone shared that link and advised me to be careful, since your shop was one of the ones I was considering.

I know you must be frustrated and feel indignant. No business has a perfect record, so there's always something negative if you look hard enough. How companies handle negative reviews differ. Have you tried addressing that guy's blog post and all those people in the comments who said they also never got their instruments back? It would seem like the wise thing to do--to actually explain what happened in that comments section."

Anyway, I've decided to hold off on refinishing the bass for now, until I can find a local shop with a physical location I can actually drive to, because I'm now a bit nervous to ship it off to a shop I can't get to if the same thing ends up happening to me.

I have a friend who had this guy build him a guitar from scratch. His experience with him was bizarre, to say the least.

Aside from that, this sounds like the ramblings of someone trying to cover something up.
 
I asked Pat of Simcustomshop about that blog post, and this was his response:

"How far did you have to dig to scrape that out? I caution against believing things that you read on forums from nearly 10 years ago from random sources many of which have posted the same horror story on multiple forums under multiple names. It's a long story but I have far too much to do to even attempt to get into it.

Sims Custom Shop google reviews, these go back 3+ years, 91 submitted just in the last few years, 4.6 our of 5 rating.

If you would prefer to go somewhere else and that will be fine, we have a mountain of work to do (and for good reason).

Btw, we have just over 2500 COMPLETED & PAINTED guitars we've done documented on our website/Instagram (which is updated almost daily with newly completed projects. You don't achieve that by keeping peoples guitars and not finishing them.

The 4.6 out of 5 start rating on google, the 2500+ documented completed guitars on our Instagram/Facebook & website, 200+ videos of completed projects on our website I believe speaks for itself and speakers volumes. You will find no one else who can even come close to competing with that (no one who will have more documented completed jobs (2500+), no one with more documented YouTube videos of completed jobs, no one with MORE positive reviews on google (91) and no painters who are probably capable of disassembling your bass AND painting it without making the neon splotchy.

If you can find someone who surpasses all of those things then my hats off to them and you can go with them if it gives you piece of mind.

Final point......we probably refinish more guitars than anyone in the US and quite possibly the world. We've been really bad for business for some of our competitors over the last 19 years, many of which are now out of business actually and some of which have went to great lengths to attempt to put us out of business (by posting horror story reviews on multiple forums as their favorite (or their own website), easiest & fastest tool of choice....bc once it's posted it's there forever....to create confusion & uncertainty.)

Instagram page: Sims Guitar Refinishing (@simscustomshopguitars) • Instagram photos and videos

YouTube: SimsCustomGuitars

Do you own a business? If so tell me the name of it.....and if the course of several months I can litter the internet, BBB, Yelp, google, YouTube and other outlets with enough negative press that people would be scared to death to do business with you......"

My reply to him:

"I wasn't actively trying to dig up stuff. I simply asked on talkbass forums for refinishing shop recommendations, and someone shared that link and advised me to be careful, since your shop was one of the ones I was considering.

I know you must be frustrated and feel indignant. No business has a perfect record, so there's always something negative if you look hard enough. How companies handle negative reviews differ. Have you tried addressing that guy's blog post and all those people in the comments who said they also never got their instruments back? It would seem like the wise thing to do--to actually explain what happened in that comments section."

Anyway, I've decided to hold off on refinishing the bass for now, until I can find a local shop with a physical location I can actually drive to, because I'm now a bit nervous to ship it off to a shop I can't get to if the same thing ends up happening to me.

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That guy seems ... interesting.

The progression from you asking an honest question and expressing a concern to him saying "I have too much work to waste time talking about that situation" and then rambling for 4 paragraphs, ending with vaguely threatening to run your theoretical business into the ground ... That was a wild ride. :dead:
 
Caution about the potential auto-finishing option... It's generally yielded great results, but in my experience, most of the car guys are quite surprised when they find out the hard way how labor-intensive guitar finishing really is (a lot of fine, finicky work in the polishing stages, etc)
 
I have a friend who had this guy build him a guitar from scratch. His experience with him was bizarre, to say the least.

Aside from that, this sounds like the ramblings of someone trying to cover something up.
Very Darrin Huff-esque. I also like how he completely dismisses the guy whose guitar he essentially stole as "things read on forums from nearly ten years ago". And as far as "digging stuff up", what I posted came from the first page of Google results for his company, so not exactly a deep dive.
 
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What is with all this fraud in the musical instrument world?

An honest answer would get me banned from this site. It is...very prevalent.

As for refinish, I have no suggestions as to providers but do not, no matter what, take it to an auto shop. Guitar finish is very different.

I use auto finish and some of their techniques for ideas for my own refinish work (I do not take any outside work, just my own instruments, no exceptions, just want to make that VERY clear so don't ask) but the finishes that auto guys use are far too thick for guitar and can have a fairly deleterious impact on the tone.
 
another upvote for pat wilkins. he's worked on a few refin projects for me. very professional. impeccable work.

feel bad for the cats who ran into issues with pat sims' shop. hope it all works (or worked) out.

i currently have a project at sims custom guitar shop. will update accordingly when things progress.
 
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