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Recommendations on New Combo Amp For Small-Medium Gigs

Hi All,

Looking for a new combo amp recommendation for small to mid-sized gigs- restaurants and bars with less than 200 people. I currently use a Fender Rumble 100 that just doesn't cut it. I have a larger GK rig for bigger shows with a GK RB-700ii head and a 212 Neo Cab I like - but am willing to try something with a less growly sound. The last music store near me closed recently so I'll most likely be buying online or seeing if the Guitar Center an hour away can order something for me to try.

I play mostly electric bass and occasionally an upright acoustic bass. The electric basses are a Fender Jazz and Precision and a homemade fretless copy of a Fender Precision.

Needed features:

- Lightweight - under 40 pounds preferred.
- Sound: Good solid sound with at least a 4-band EQ that can offer deep bass, thick midrange as well as bright highs so I can use for anything from James Jamerson sounds to slap as well as solid, midrange sound for my fretless or the bridge pickup on my jazz bass.
- Speaker out port would be great.
- Direct out a must with ground lift - I always go "post out" to direct out so the post-pre switch isn't necessary but useful.
- At least 300 amps.
- Budget: Under $1000
- Music I play - Everything from hard rock, rock, blues and funk on the electrics and older jazz standards stuff, New Orleans jazz and classical stuff on the upright bass.

I'm leaning toward the Markbass 210p - I love this for its volume and weight - but I do hear how Markbass colors the sound. But everywhere I hear one the bass fits perfectly in the mix and can be heard from everywhere the band can be heard - on stage, in the audience, down the block. Its a beast.

I'm not 100% opposed to a Fender Rumble 500 - they are workhorses but I've never found one local to try.

Other great amps I've heard:
- I heard an upright guy using a GR Bass combo that sounded amazing throughout a large old church - very lightweight as well. But I don't think it will work for my electric bass stuff? There are none to try near me.
- GK combos - loved them but compared to the Markbass for size and weight the Markbass seems to be much more solid sounding. I've heard people complement GK sounds for upright as well - I've never used my larger GK rig with the upright for a show - never had a show that large so I can't comment on how well it would work there.
- The new Peavy Max amps - I heard a 2-8 model at an outside gig and I was impressed - the sound went all the way down a boardwalk and it was at 50% volume. Light too.
- I'm not 100% opposed to an Ampeg - but often when I play an Ampeg combo I can't hear myself uless I move 10 feet or more away from it. Also I've never been impressed with the mdrange on any Ampeg I've heard. I read in another post that this may be the case with any one-speaker amp - and could explain why 2-speaker amps seem to have better sound room coverage - IMO. The last Ampeg combo I used at a gig was provided by the venue and it was loud in the audience but I couldn't hear myself at all from about 8 feet away - and I was stuck in one spot.

Love to hear your suggestions - thanks all!
 
I'm not 100% opposed to a Fender Rumble 500 - they are workhorses but I've never found one local to try
I had a Rumble 500 for a few years when I played with a heavy handed drummer and it performed very well. If your happy with the performance of your 100 you'll be happy with the 500. Just my experience.
 
From reading your post, my guess is the biggest concern with your GK rig is the size and weight. You should be able to go smaller and lighter. Just keep in mind going smaller may require accepting certain trade offs.

Another factor is you don't seem to be 100% satisfied with the GK tone. Lot's of people think a 700RB into a NEO 212 sounds great, but it's largely subjective and comes down to an individuals personal taste. Unfortunately, the best way for you to find "your" tone is to try different rigs. Perhaps a bit easier for the community to help if you can identify what you don't like about the GK, as well as how you would like the sound to change. Try to state your tone goals as objectively as possible.


I have a larger GK rig for bigger shows with a GK RB-700ii head and a 212 Neo Cab I like - but am willing to try something with a less growly sound.
I associate growl with low mids and possibly a bit of drive. To get a less growl, experiment with mids and low mids. Also turn down the drive a bit and turn up the Masters to compensate.


I've never used my larger GK rig with the upright for a show - never had a show that large so I can't comment on how well it would work there.
Should work well. I have an older 700RB/112 combo and IMHO it works better for upright than bass guitar.
 
I recommend the Markbass CMD 210P V, especially since you've actually heard one out in the wild. The tilt back design is great for on stage monitor applications. There are two deep holes in the back that will hold cables and other small accessories during transpo. Definitely enough power for small gigs and the current V model is a few pounds lighter than the original. A great grab-n-go combo. Right now MF has them for 25% off and I hear SW will match that.
 
I had a Rumble 500 for a few years when I played with a heavy handed drummer and it performed very well. If your happy with the performance of your 100 you'll be happy with the 500. Just my experience.
Thanks! There is another Guitar Center a little further away - I might call them to see if they have the Rumble 500 in stock to compare to the Markbass 210p which they stock.
 
From reading your post, my guess is the biggest concern with your GK rig is the size and weight. You should be able to go smaller and lighter. Just keep in mind going smaller may require accepting certain trade offs.

Another factor is you don't seem to be 100% satisfied with the GK tone. Lot's of people think a 700RB into a NEO 212 sounds great, but it's largely subjective and comes down to an individuals personal taste. Unfortunately, the best way for you to find "your" tone is to try different rigs. Perhaps a bit easier for the community to help if you can identify what you don't like about the GK, as well as how you would like the sound to change. Try to state your tone goals as objectively as possible.



I associate growl with low mids and possibly a bit of drive. To get a less growl, experiment with mids and low mids. Also turn down the drive a bit and turn up the Masters to compensate.



Should work well. I have an older 700RB/112 combo and IMHO it works better for upright than bass guitar.
Thanks Wasnex - yeah I have a bad back so I won't bring the GK head and cab to a small show - just way too big and there are stairs at both of the two smaller venues I've been playing. It also is too big to bring back and forth to rehearsal - which is what this will mostly be used for in addition to smaller gigs.

I like the GK sound for electric bass a lot - the big thing I'm experiencing now is coverage at the smaller gigs - I can't hear my smaller amp if I'm too close to it and there is no way to get further from it at one venue - the stage is too small. I tested playing through a different GK 112 combo at Guitar center and experienced something similar - it sounded great in general but not from certain locations near it - which won't work at the one venue where I either set up right in front of or right next to it.
I heard great things about your 700RB/112 combo though - much sought after by upright bassists.
 
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Markbass is a good choice: I bought Markbass Combo in 2018 like you I heard about 1/2 dozen in the wild and all sounded excellent in mix which is main reason for purchase

I was never a play at home solo(no mix)looking for that bedroom sound

Rumbles are popular and decent Amps but Fender went for that Bedroom/Showroom Solo tone
But I have heard some players with some work get good sound in mix with Rumbles
 
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Markbass is a good choice: I bought Markbass Combo in 2018 like you I heard about 1/2 dozen in the wild and all sounded excellent in mix which is main reason for purchase

I was never a play at home solo(no mix)looking for that bedroom sound

Rumbles are popular and decent Amps but Fender went for that Bedroom/Showroom Solo tone
But I have heard some players with some work get good sound in mix with Rumbles
Thanks - that's a good way of looking at it - the "bedroom sound". I'm just coming around to realizing that the bass sound in the mix is all that really matters - and at my last gig the lower frequencies of my Fender Rumble were partially drowned out by an overly-large cajon that our percussionist was playing - right next to me. Moving the amp actually made it worse! Sad.
 
I have some swanky cab setups, but my Markbass 102P gets dragged out the most due to being light and loud enough for all but the slammiest of drummers and half-stack people people we aren't allowed to slur anymore. I like it more for BG than upright, though.
 
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Rumble 800 sounds like the obvious choice if you like the tone of your rumble - 400 watts into 2 10" speakers at 29 lbs
My rumble doesn't have a solid sound and has lousy coverage - I don't mind the sound for personal practice. So - I can't say I hate the sound I just feel like it doesn't work in the small group setting I've been using it in. I'm open to hear the more powerful 500 as I've been told the speaker arrangement gives it much better coverage of the room and it can stand up to a full band - and its affordable. It would be great to find a really good used combo for only $500 as I have to earn back the money for this investment and these small shows are paying about $50 a pop so - yeah there's that. So - open to new, bigger Fender Rumbles to try but I feel the Markbass may be the only thing I've tried so far that will fit. Or a GK combo.
 
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Recently I’ve been using a Rumble 500 and a tilt back amp stand with or without an extension speaker, and it seems very loud and articulate.

I dont use the vintage or contour switches and often boost the mids, cut the bass, and sometimes use the bright switch. It actually helps me get the “vintage” mids that I’m looking for when I roll off the tone control on my bass.

I can’t remember if I got an skb or Gator amp stand but it folds up and is very light.
 
I think you'd be happy with the MarkBass. The VLE and VPF filters, combined with the low/high mid controls, are very flexible. I use a Big Bang with similar controls with a 2x10 Traveler cab and play upright primarily. While it helps having an external preamp to impedance match and offer specific pre-shaping for the piezo pickup before going into the amp, I find the EQ section to be very robust for fine tuning to the room. When I play electric, I really like it as well. Doesn't take much to make it sound great. Some people aren't big on MarkBass for various reasons, but it's hard to beat the price/weight/volume/functionality that their combos offer. Good luck!
 
Hi All,

Looking for a new combo amp recommendation for small to mid-sized gigs- restaurants and bars with less than 200 people. I currently use a Fender Rumble 100 that just doesn't cut it. I have a larger GK rig for bigger shows with a GK RB-700ii head and a 212 Neo Cab I like - but am willing to try something with a less growly sound. The last music store near me closed recently so I'll most likely be buying online or seeing if the Guitar Center an hour away can order something for me to try.

I play mostly electric bass and occasionally an upright acoustic bass. The electric basses are a Fender Jazz and Precision and a homemade fretless copy of a Fender Precision.

Needed features:

- Lightweight - under 40 pounds preferred.
- Sound: Good solid sound with at least a 4-band EQ that can offer deep bass, thick midrange as well as bright highs so I can use for anything from James Jamerson sounds to slap as well as solid, midrange sound for my fretless or the bridge pickup on my jazz bass.
- Speaker out port would be great.
- Direct out a must with ground lift - I always go "post out" to direct out so the post-pre switch isn't necessary but useful.
- At least 300 amps.
- Budget: Under $1000
- Music I play - Everything from hard rock, rock, blues and funk on the electrics and older jazz standards stuff, New Orleans jazz and classical stuff on the upright bass.

I'm leaning toward the Markbass 210p - I love this for its volume and weight - but I do hear how Markbass colors the sound. But everywhere I hear one the bass fits perfectly in the mix and can be heard from everywhere the band can be heard - on stage, in the audience, down the block. Its a beast.

I'm not 100% opposed to a Fender Rumble 500 - they are workhorses but I've never found one local to try.

Other great amps I've heard:
- I heard an upright guy using a GR Bass combo that sounded amazing throughout a large old church - very lightweight as well. But I don't think it will work for my electric bass stuff? There are none to try near me.
- GK combos - loved them but compared to the Markbass for size and weight the Markbass seems to be much more solid sounding. I've heard people complement GK sounds for upright as well - I've never used my larger GK rig with the upright for a show - never had a show that large so I can't comment on how well it would work there.
- The new Peavy Max amps - I heard a 2-8 model at an outside gig and I was impressed - the sound went all the way down a boardwalk and it was at 50% volume. Light too.
- I'm not 100% opposed to an Ampeg - but often when I play an Ampeg combo I can't hear myself uless I move 10 feet or more away from it. Also I've never been impressed with the mdrange on any Ampeg I've heard. I read in another post that this may be the case with any one-speaker amp - and could explain why 2-speaker amps seem to have better sound room coverage - IMO. The last Ampeg combo I used at a gig was provided by the venue and it was loud in the audience but I couldn't hear myself at all from about 8 feet away - and I was stuck in one spot.

Love to hear your suggestions - thanks all!
Hi Mountain Mike, Where are you located? A couple questions: Does it have to be brand new for you?, there's some great awesome use gear out there as well - I have a Markbass 210 wedge combo - Italian era, I will be selling it due to an overabundance of gear. I'd also recommend Genz Benz on the used front - the shuttle series are great for both electric and upright. The New 1-12 Trickfish combo maybe be out of your budget new, but Trickfish is good stuff too!
 
Hi Mountain Mike, Where are you located? A couple questions: Does it have to be brand new for you?, there's some great awesome use gear out there as well - I have a Markbass 210 wedge combo - Italian era, I will be selling it due to an overabundance of gear. I'd also recommend Genz Benz on the used front - the shuttle series are great for both electric and upright. The New 1-12 Trickfish combo maybe be out of your budget new, but Trickfish is good stuff too!
Hi GRoast - I'm in NY State - up in the Hudson Valley . There are quite a few used Markbass 210p amps nearby - one I'm considering. They average around $700 used on Guitarcenter and there are a few about an hour drive from me towards the city that I might check out -
 
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