Recording at home with my equipment.

[Music_for_life]

I would like the idea of running multiple sounds into different tracks and blending to taste in the final mix. But now I will do it on my own, and I don`t know how and what I need to buy (regarding the reamp box and the mic, I have the other equipment I list below)...

Sadowsky outboard pre
Tech 21 VT bass dlx
GK 1001 RBll
Hartke XL 4X10
DBX 160A
Saffire 6 usb soundcard

I plan to use a Sadowsky outboard pre as a DI for a great, warm, clean tone. This should be the root of the sound. Then I want to add a Tech 21 vt bass dlx with a slightly overdriven and mid-prominent tone for flavor, and bring it up to about 70% of where the Sadowsky outboard pre is.
The only way to add the vt bass is by reamping my amp with the vt engaged???
This first 2 tracks don`t need a compressor engaged because the signals will be rather compressed due to the preamps I am using.
Then I was planning to reamp my GK1001RBll+HartkeXL4x10 with the dbx 160 A compressor engaged to add punch and growl to the recording..

I am on the right path???

 

[cheapbasslovin]

If I understand how the Saffire works, you should be able to track any two tracks at the same time. Is the GK going to clean or from one of the pre's? I'd say split your signal and track the sadowski and amp, then reamp your VT.

If the tuner out on the sadowski is unaffected, you could run from there to your GK.

 

[Music_for_life]

If I understand how the Saffire works, you should be able to track any two tracks at the same time. Is the GK going to clean or from one of the pre's? I'd say split your signal and track the sadowski and amp, then reamp your VT.

If the tuner out on the sadowski is unaffected, you could run from there to your GK.

I live in an apartment, so I think will be better to record without the amp, but using it afterwards reamping it.
So can I split the signal and track the sadowsky preamp and the VT when recording????
Then reamp the amp?

 

[Hellbastard]

You can record two signals simultaneously with the Scarlett. I would lay the signal flow like this:

1. Instrument out to VT Bass input
2. VT output to Scarlett input 1
3. VT parallel output to Sadowsky Pre
4. Sadowsky Pre out to input 2 of the Scarlett.

As for reamping, unless you have a good microphone, a quality passive DI and a good room to record in, I would say is a lot of trouble for a signal you might not end up using at all.

 

[paganjack]

1. Instrument out to VT Bass input
2. VT output to Scarlett input 1
3. VT parallel output to Sadowsky Pre
4. Sadowsky Pre out to input 2 of the Scarlett.

Yup, that makes the most sense to me. If you want to split earlier use a boss tuner or something that has 2 outputs. then you can avoid gain-staging too (forgive/ignore me if that's what the VT has already).

I did some reamping lately and used a radial re-amping box, which can pad the signal as well as change the impedance, because using pure line-level signal can cause some problems when running back into some preamps. Just FYI.

 

[Music_for_life]

You can record two signals simultaneously with the Scarlett. I would lay the signal flow like this:

1. Instrument out to VT Bass input
2. VT output to Scarlett input 1
3. VT parallel output to Sadowsky Pre
4. Sadowsky Pre out to input 2 of the Scarlett.

As for reamping, unless you have a good microphone, a quality passive DI and a good room to record in, I would say is a lot of trouble for a signal you might not end up using at all.

I have the Saffire 6 not the scarlet, I can record the same??

 

[Hellbastard]

Yup, that makes the most sense to me. If you want to split earlier use a boss tuner or something that has 2 outputs. then you can avoid gain-staging too (forgive/ignore me if that's what the VT has already)..

The VT Deluxe's Parallel output is buffered but doesn't go through the preamp's circuit. Pretty much the same as the Boss Tuner

I have the Saffire 6 not the scarlet, I can record the same??

Yeah, follow the same procedure as I mentioned before but replace the scarlett's input for the Saffire 6's.

 

[Music_for_life]

You can record two signals simultaneously with the Scarlett. I would lay the signal flow like this:

1. Instrument out to VT Bass input
2. VT output to Scarlett input 1
3. VT parallel output to Sadowsky Pre
4. Sadowsky Pre out to input 2 of the Scarlett.

As for reamping, unless you have a good microphone, a quality passive DI and a good room to record in, I would say is a lot of trouble for a signal you might not end up using at all.

What is a quality passive DI??'
If I dont reamp the dbx compressor would be useless....right??

 

[Hellbastard]

One of the best Passive DI's is the Radial JDI. I've heard good things about the new DBX DI10 passive and have had good experiences with a not so expensive Palmer PAN01.

If you plan on reamping just the signal through the DBX comp, then you don't need to use a DI box. You just send the signal out of your DAW thourgh out 3-4, patch the signal through the DBX and return it's outputs to the saffire inputs using the inputs set to line level.

or, given that the dbx160A is a compressor that does not offer a lot of options and has a characteristic sound, just connect it in line with any of your preamps and go straight to the interface, you'll have to commit to the settings, but you'll spare yourself the hassle of setting everything up for reamping, not to mention the unnecessary DA/AD conversion which given your interface might result in poor quality audio material.

 

[Music_for_life]

One of the best Passive DI's is the Radial JDI. I've heard good things about the new DBX DI10 passive and have had good experiences with a not so expensive Palmer PAN01.

If you plan on reamping just the signal through the DBX comp, then you don't need to use a DI box. You just send the signal out of your DAW thourgh out 3-4, patch the signal through the DBX and return it's outputs to the saffire inputs using the inputs set to line level.

or, given that the dbx160A is a compressor that does not offer a lot of options and has a characteristic sound, just connect it in line with any of your preamps and go straight to the interface, you'll have to commit to the settings, but you'll spare yourself the hassle of setting everything up for reamping, not to mention the unnecessary DA/AD conversion which given your interface might result in poor quality audio material.

Can you clarify more I dont understand so well, I mean, are you sure I dont need an amp or a di box to use the compressor when reamping????

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You just send the signal out of your DAW thourgh out 3-4, patch the signal through the DBX and return it's outputs to the saffire inputs using the inputs set to line level.[/QUOTE]
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you'll have to commit to the settings, but you'll spare yourself the hassle of setting everything up for reamping, not to mention the unnecessary DA/AD conversion which given your interface might result in poor quality audio material.[/QUOTE]

Can you clarify that please???
Thanks

 

[Hellbastard]

Can you clarify more I dont understand so well, I mean, are you sure I dont need an amp or a di box to use the compressor when reamping????


Can you clarify that please???
Thanks

Sure I can, your DBX160A compressor is a device that requires a line level signal to work at its best. The saffire produces a line level signal at its output, so you don't need to use a DI or an amp between the devices, they can communicate (so to speak) perfectly, without the need of signal level or impedance matching, which is what the DI does when reamping guitar/bass amplifiers.

The second part of my post describes the process on how to set your equipment for the reamping process. If what you want is to reamp using just the DBX160A, there's no need to use a DI box for the process.

Using your Saffire for reamping the Comp you need to:

1. Set the track you want to process on a channel and set its output to 3 or 4.
2. Connect output 3/4 from the saffire to the inputs of the DBX160A
3. Connect the output of the DBX to input 1 or 2 of the saffire.
4. set an audio track on the DAW, choose the input and arm it to record.
5. Push play on the DAW and
6. Set the DBX's setting to taste.
7. Press Record and there you have it a reamped version of the track.
8. You'll need to go into your DAW and compensate for the delay you created when you send the signal out and back into your DAW, it might be a couple of ms. You can do this by manually moving the region or by using a sample delay plug in.

As you can see, reamping is not really an easy process, it is a very potent tool once you know how to use it. However using home recording equipment, which use cheap AD/DA converters you are creating a distortion and coloration on the signal which leads to poor quality recordings.

 

[Music_for_life]

You can record two signals simultaneously with the Scarlett. I would lay the signal flow like this:

1. Instrument out to VT Bass input
2. VT output to Scarlett input 1
3. VT parallel output to Sadowsky Pre
4. Sadowsky Pre out to input 2 of the Scarlett.

As for reamping, unless you have a good microphone, a quality passive DI and a good room to record in, I would say is a lot of trouble for a signal you might not end up using at all.

Yesterday I had tried to record following the instructions, but it didn´t send any signal to the saffire.
Why???
Is there something to correct about this instructions??
I want to record two different tracks one with the Sansamp VT bass dlx and the other with the Sadowsky Preamp.