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REDDI DI "THRU"

#21
Blues Cat said:
I would like the option to have the Reddi do it's thing into the amp input too, whether I decide to run it in to the power amp in via effects loop or directly into the input.

Kirk would this be a good thing into the SL900?
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Which is why I went the U5 route. You can patch the active filter to the through and on to your amp if you desire. I don't often do that though. On stage, my amp is a monitor, eq'ed and volume set for deconfliction with the FOH. So normally, I have 2 sets of eq - one at my amp/monitor and the other driving the FOH. Often that is one of the active filter settingsnfrom the U5. The sound guys love it...

You would have to take the reddi out into an impedance matching device like a reamp box. It is amlomst inevitable that you'll lose some of the reddi mojo that way.

The U5 is a much more flexible device. Sounds great, though different from the reddi.
 
#22
4Mal said:
Which is why I went the U5 route. You can patch the active filter to the through and on to your amp if you desire. I don't often do that though. On stage, my amp is a monitor, eq'ed and volume set for deconfliction with the FOH. So normally, I have 2 sets of eq - one at my amp/monitor and the other driving the FOH. Often that is one of the active filter settingsnfrom the U5. The sound guys love it...

You would have to take the reddi out into an impedance matching device like a reamp box. It is amlomst inevitable that you'll lose some of the reddi mojo that way.

The U5 is a much more flexible device. Sounds great, though different from the reddi.
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This makes plenty of sense...(not). Use an amp with completely different eq as your own monitor on stage and then pump in the REDDI to the front of house which has a completely different sound of its own for your audience to hear. You may as well duct tape some cotton in your ears, because this has turned into a total guessing game as to who is actually hearing what and what sounds good. You might think you sound great through your amp, too bad the audience isn't hearing that. They're listening to the REDDI which has a completely different characteristic.
 
#23
eggfart1 said:
This makes plenty of sense...(not). Use an amp with completely different eq as your own monitor on stage and then pump in the REDDI to the front of house which has a completely different sound of its own for your audience to hear. You may as well duct tape some cotton in your ears, because this has turned into a total guessing game as to who is actually hearing what and what sounds good. You might think you sound great through your amp, too bad the audience isn't hearing that. They're listening to the REDDI which has a completely different characteristic.
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If you took the DI on your head set it to post EQ and gave that signal to the soundguy, the audience still would not be hearing exactly what you are hearing through your rig. It's a completely different system...different EQ, different speakers/subs, different amps, possibly compression and other processing.

You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.
 
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bassgod0dmw said:
If you took the DI on your head set it to post EQ and gave that signal to the soundguy, the audience still would not be hearing exactly what you are hearing through your rig. It's a completely different system...different EQ, different speakers/subs, different amps, possibly compression and other processing.

You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.
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Makes no sense.
 
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eggfart1 said:
Makes no sense.
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And so the loop goes on and on and on and on..... ;)

The explanations given have been straight-up and are based on experience. If you really want the REDDI tone in your ears as well as FOH, dump your amp, run your signal into the REDDI, or DI box of choice, and then use IEMs and/or the monitors on stage. Done deal. Now FOH and you have the same basic sound. Makes for an easy load-in as well!
 
#29
Limeman said:
And so the loop goes on and on and on and on..... ;)

The explanations given have been straight-up and are based on experience. If you really want the REDDI tone in your ears as well as FOH, dump your amp, run your signal into the REDDI, or DI box of choice, and then use IEMs and/or the monitors on stage. Done deal. Now FOH and you have the same basic sound. Makes for an easy load-in as well!
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+100000000
 
#30
Sorry for taking so long to get back.. I was out of town...
To be honest., I know people that have done this with GREAT results... Using the REDDI into the front of an amp .. Not using teh THRU jack but using the XLR tube transformer output into the amp...
In my opinion it is overkill... Just my opinion... 99% of gig no on will notice that you have $1000 direct box in front of a $1 IC chip in the front of most amps. I was just generalizing to make a point...The SL900 is my favorite amp and it doenst have an IC in the front end IIRC.. I was just saying about Most other amps not the SL at all.
In fact the SL900 sound perfect left alone IMO..

But the REDDI sounds better for gis where you can really notice it.. Not on Loud Rock gigs or any loud gig where things are mashing all around in a crappy sounding room or venue.. It shines on All recordings and large pro gigs where everything down the line from it is pro caliber...especially the Mixing console, power amps and speakers.
I use my REDDI at home to record with or whenever i do a session. I take it out to only the gigs where it it can be heard and we have large pro systems... Its built like a tank and can take anything... but most bar people will not notice how great the bass sounds while mashing through a Tele And a Strat on 11 and a football game playing in the background.. I know I do those gigs!:)
Just my opinion.... But what i would do is run your amp normally and then use teh REDDI as your DI.. Yes the Genz DI is about the best out there and equal to a Counrtyman IMO.. but the REDDI is super nice, super smooth and buttery without adding too much voice... It just allows your bass to sound the way it does as Im sure you know. Hope i wasnt too long winded...or deviated from the point... I tend to do that at times.:)
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Blues Cat said:
I would like the option to have the Reddi do it's thing into the amp input too, whether I decide to run it in to the power amp in via effects loop or directly into the input.

Kirk would this be a good thing into the SL900?
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Yer sir.. I have done that on my IEM gigs... with no Amp... and i love it! Bass> REDDI> XRL to wherever it goes> IEMS... perfect

Limeman said:
And so the loop goes on and on and on and on..... ;)

The explanations given have been straight-up and are based on experience. If you really want the REDDI tone in your ears as well as FOH, dump your amp, run your signal into the REDDI, or DI box of choice, and then use IEMs and/or the monitors on stage. Done deal. Now FOH and you have the same basic sound. Makes for an easy load-in as well!
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#32
Limeman said:
And so the loop goes on and on and on and on..... ;)

The explanations given have been straight-up and are based on experience. If you really want the REDDI tone in your ears as well as FOH, dump your amp, run your signal into the REDDI, or DI box of choice, and then use IEMs and/or the monitors on stage. Done deal. Now FOH and you have the same basic sound. Makes for an easy load-in as well!
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That's what I currently do :). I just don't see the "point" in having both an amp and the REDDI...You can blend signals for recording but it's really overkill IMO. On stage, I don't get the concept of using an amp with one sound to track your playing and then have the audience listen to the REDDI.
 
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eggfart1 said:
That's what I currently do :). I just don't see the "point" in having both an amp and the REDDI...You can blend signals for recording but it's really overkill IMO. On stage, I don't get the concept of using an amp with one sound to track your playing and then have the audience listen to the REDDI.
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So if I understand correctly, you simply prefer the sound of a REDDI over a bass amp. That's fine, but personally I find that IEMs or PA stage monitors sound crappy for bass guitars in most cases. A proper bass stack gives me way more playing satisfaction than some small earbuds. But: what works on stage, may not work for the FoH sound. Hence the combination of a good external DI and a bass amp... Two different tools for two different sonic environments, i.e. getting the best sound on stage versus the best sound in the audience.
 
#39
eggfart1 said:
I dunno about that. I played some keyboard through Rokit 5's the other day. Notes in the bass guitar register. I got pure fart-tone/distortion and no clarity.
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Not sure what you were doing wrong, but I own a set of Rokit5's and a set of NS10M's, and use both regularly (separately) to track bass, keys, drums, guitars, vocals, etc. they work just fine without any fart-tone. You can't expect PA volume or sub response, but you can expect perfectly reasonable tracking volume and frequency response.
 

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