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Relic Thoughts

The apostrophe is key here: "relic'ing" - so much more pleasing to the eye.

But, but, but...if the apostrophe doesn't denote a contraction or indicate possession, it doesn't belong there. Just as people (for whatever reason) insist on typing DVD's, CD's, TV's, 1990's, etc., it doesn't belong there.

As odd-looking as it may be, I believe 'relicing' is correct (no offense).
 
But to me it's just a way to get the "feel" of a vintage instrument, which is pretty awesome to me, without spending 10K.

I've got a relic'd jazz coming to me and this is why I'm interested.
I've worn the paint off a few the old fashioned way. I'm over it. But there's nothing like the baby butt feel of a hand worn neck. USA Laklands fall into that catagory but I'm a couple grand short right now.
 
Well I didn't mean to start anybody hurting anybody else's feelings. Firstly, I should say that one of my main issues with the relic treatment is that the present participle of relic is too often written as "relicing," which I invariably read as re-licing, as in "to lice again," and that is something that should definitely be avoided with any bass. You really shouldn't even lice it a first time unless you absolutely must. The apostrophe is key here: "relic'ing" - so much more pleasing to the eye.

Second, again, I didn't mean to open a can of worms. I think I was probably taking these instruments a little to seriously when I posted that. The jeans analogy makes good sense - if it's just a piece of wood to you, then you are of course free to decorate the outside however you please. So - sorry if I ticked anyone off, just putting my two cents out there.

Not sure if it was me you were referring to, but I don't think there's any harm done, I certainly wasn't offended, just wanted to express my opinion. So I did :)

EDIT: And as far as people who don't care for relics go, you weren't one of the ones who stomps all over other people's preferences, so it wasn't you I was expressing my frustration about.

This has been surprisingly civil and understanding for a relic discussion...the calm before the storm perhaps? :ninja:
 
is this a relic, i bought this new in 1966 from goldie and libros in new haven CT for $225 i put all that mojo on it, its part of my body now
but i would still love to do a relic job on a sx jazz just for fun
and for a comfort zone when you whack your bass into a crash cymble
and it dont matter, i love relics,i'm a relic for petes sake!!
 

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I am attempting to relic my Geddy J bass; I chained the body to the back of my Jeep then dragged it very slowly around the block; of course, I did this at night so no one would see me - I'm not that crazy. The hardware has been sitting on my deck exposed to wind, rain, snow, sun, since September. It will stay there until April. If it comes out good I will try it on my Rick. :cool:
 
is this a relic, i bought this new in 1966 from goldie and libros in new haven CT for $225 i put all that mojo on it, its part of my body now
but i would still love to do a relic job on a sx jazz just for fun
and for a comfort zone when you whack your bass into a crash cymble
and it dont matter, i love relics,i'm a relic for petes sake!!

That forearm wear looks fake. ;)

Nice bass! I'll give you $235.
 
HI

I think its very cool. As a matter of fact, prolly gonna have it done to my UV Sadowsky 4 string. I feel it to be a kinda "tribute" to my love of old Fender basses. Plus, my bass will never end up relicing right. It has a poly finish on the body like most modern basses

Rob
 
I guess I understand why some people like relics, but to me they're just phony, and a manufactured short cut. Either the wear is honestly earned or it's not, and if it's not, then it's a fake that I personally wouldn't care to own...no offence to those who like it, but it turns me off. You wouldn't buy a new trumpet and then beat it up, dent it and expose it to agents that would cause rust. You wouldn't beat up a nice violin, either.....so why would you do it to a guitar or bass?

Related to that, abusing an instrument by beating it up and mistreating it - even during performance - doesn't have any virtue either, in my personal and highly subjective opinion. It's just abuse, even if it means the instrument approaches "relic" status faster. I take care of my instruments, and don't understand why anyone would NOT do so - unless they're emulating the early Who and destroying them at the end of a performance.

If I had a bass that was as worn-looking as many of the relics I've seen, I'd simply have it refinished. That's why my '63 P is refinished. Now that it doesn't look mistreated, I'll let natural wear happen as it may.
 
Here's how I look at it.

A relic is a perfectly functional instrument. All that's distinguishing one from any other instrument the appearance, which is subjective, right? So why do people have such a problem with how other people want their instruments to look?

Furthermore, is a relic really that different from a well used bass (actual age aside)? I mean, all it is is the finish being worn down, right? So what's the difference? Mojo? Having "earned its wear"?

Play what you like. If relics aren't your thing, don't play them.

I don't have an issue with people who buy them - but as always, with anything musical, I'm very curious about why someone would do this.

Aren't you? If you're a musician, why shouldn't you inquire and be curious about everything musical, including the aesthetics of a band or of a person in a band or of their instrument.

If other musicians aren't interested in hearing what people (we are, after all, also audience members) think/feel about their instruments. their presence on stage and their music - they'd better be careful about what threads they open.

I've always been curious about the care and keeping of these "relics" while they are still in the possession of the various vendors. They act all careful with them -at GC Hollywood, they store the relics in velvet lined drawers.

Why? Would would be able to tell if they were more dinged up than they were when they arrived? I've had a chance to look at dozens of these carefully stored items, and watch them be demo-ed - but darned if I would be able to tell if they were scratch and dent.

I am glad that people here at least start on the page that the damage isn't about sound.
 
Never played a Nash, but my JeffSennGuitars P-bass is truly a great instrument. Beautiful relic job, but that is really just icing to me. I think one advantage to the relic process is that you cannot have a thick finish, and why would you? That's partly why some old basses sound so great - because the wood can finally breathe, right?
 
You wouldn't buy a new trumpet and then beat it up, dent it and expose it to agents that would cause rust. You wouldn't beat up a nice violin, either

Actually, this isn't true. With trumpets and trombones, there is a popular finish where you essentially either leave the instrument in raw brass without any plating or clear-coat lacquer - the idea is that the instrument will tarnish quickly and look like an older "vintage" instrument. Or, you can use a sand-blasted finish that has a similar look but with the protection of clear-coat lacquer.

And with violins, it has been a very common practice for a long time for intermediate and pro string instruments to be antiqued/aged so that they look older, and more vintage. Frankly, guitars and basses are behind the times in terms of relics and aging! :D
 
Never played a Nash, but my JeffSennGuitars P-bass is truly a great instrument. Beautiful relic job, but that is really just icing to me. I think one advantage to the relic process is that you cannot have a thick finish, and why would you? That's partly why some old basses sound so great - because the wood can finally breathe, right?

But, so many of them appear to have just as thick a varnish as anything modern - and certainly more thany some sixties and seventies basses - it's just dinged up.

I can't buy that putting a few scuffs on the back of something (as so many of them are done) helps wood breathe when so much of the rest of the finish looks like it was done two years ago.

This isn't a bass, but it's a good example of a new "relic":

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There is a guy who put a metallic flame job on his sorry, beat-up 1980s Astro van in my 'hood - having a bass that looks like Jamerson's or Jaco's or even Sting's is more understandable than that.

Is it? Maybe he's emulating some famous person's Astro van that you don't know about. Who knows?

At any rate, at least he did it himself.

As a chick, I dig metallic flames on anything that has wheels.

I even remember the days when people had flames on their geetars.

At any rate, I don't find it more understandable - so merely stating that it is understandable doesn't help me understand it. Although, when you put it in the context of idol worship, it helps.

Can anyone post pix of a particularly Jaco relic? Do you have to go to GC and sort through dozens to find one - or is there some consistency to how relicky they look?

I saw Jaco a few times in the early eighties - and whatever gashes were on his bass, it wasn't so noticeable. I don't remember thinking much about whether his bass looked brand new.

But, I must ask - do the NEW relics have the same properties? The frets were taken out and filled with wood putty - or they merely look as if they have? And it's been glued and epoxied together? Or is it a regular fretless fingerboard?

It appears nice and new in its picture. They do drill extra holes as if the pick-ups were replaced, and then fill them in (with wood putty? ) before laquering the whole piece.

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Yes, I do think it's a beaut - but here's Jaco's:

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Doesn't the fingerboard look darker? And there do appear to be those random little dots in the finish (like the non-Jaco guitar posted above). whole thing looks darker, more aged.

Here's maybe a better pic of the Fender tribute relic (shows more relic-i-ness):

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Okay, now I see the little dots (lots of 'em ). But are they filled with the same thing as on Jaco's?
 
I don't have an issue with people who buy them - but as always, with anything musical, I'm very curious about why someone would do this.

Aren't you? If you're a musician, why shouldn't you inquire and be curious about everything musical, including the aesthetics of a band or of a person in a band or of their instrument.

If other musicians aren't interested in hearing what people (we are, after all, also audience members) think/feel about their instruments. their presence on stage and their music - they'd better be careful about what threads they open.

I've always been curious about the care and keeping of these "relics" while they are still in the possession of the various vendors. They act all careful with them -at GC Hollywood, they store the relics in velvet lined drawers.

Why? Would would be able to tell if they were more dinged up than they were when they arrived? I've had a chance to look at dozens of these carefully stored items, and watch them be demo-ed - but darned if I would be able to tell if they were scratch and dent.

I am glad that people here at least start on the page that the damage isn't about sound.

+1 to that whole thing. For me, the relic treatment is a finish option, no different than wanting your instrument to be olympic white or fiesta red, some want a light or heavy relic job. I like it because I see it as not being any different than buying a bass that had been used for a couple of months to a year by someone who doesn't care about keeping their instruments in pristine condition.

It's just a different instrument. They're more comfortable to me because (when they're done right) they don't just look like they've been around the block, they feel like they've been around the block. And that's a big plus to me because I really dislike the process of breaking an instrument in myself. It doesn't make me feel "connected" to it or anything like that, it's just a hassle for me. I guess that's the long and short of why I like relics.

But that's just me :hiding: