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Relocating to Denmark?

I have been seriously considering Australia, but unfortunately unless I can find an employer to sponsor me I wouldn't be able to migrate. I have transferable skills, Opto-Mech tech, but don't have enough experience to "go it alone".

Australia has a good climate, good economy and always rates in the top 10 for "best country to live, happiest citizens, etc." polls.
 
it is the happiest country on earth. no seriously, they did a 2009 survey. also, it's not far behind the U.S. among the 'best countries to do business in.' one of my great grandparents was from copenhagen, i'm sure i have some distant relatives over there but i've never investigated. i really want to study abroad there, otherwise i'll visit eventually

just for fun (making fun of danes, obviously)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
 
The culture seems more in tune with my personality and desired lifestyle then what society in the US offers.

no doubt! I kinda left that out as I didn't want to make this political or have people think I hate the USA (which I don't)... but I agree.

But now that you've brought it up, I'm curious as to the real life tales of Denmark... because the PR they spin has me believing they are an overly happy 'green' country void of hate and prejudices. Everyone is provided for and nobody works more than 37 hours a week... and even though they don't judge, every single one of them is beautiful :)

I keep in my mind, I'm from New Jersey... you know... "the Garden State" ;)
 
But now that you've brought it up, I'm curious as to the real life tales of Denmark...

Disclaimer: I'm from Norway.

From what I remember, Denmark is a much warmer country than Norway. It should be considering that it is further south.
It's very flat, I think their highest point is like 300M above sea level.
If you like bicycling, most of their roads have designated bicycle lanes (they have sidewalks too of course). Stuff is cheap.
Their food - household groceries, that is - tastes bad. I guess you'll get used to it.
I'm pretty sure they have international bands playing there much more so than in Norway.
I also seem to recall their transit systems being great. Compared to the standard in Norway, that doesn't say much, but still. I think it should be acceptable.

Disclaimer: I'm still from Norway.
 
Denmark is nice. I´m from Sweden and danes tend to not like swedes, almost like the US and Canada relationship... :)

I have been in Denmark alot, had a girlfriend there a couple of year ago and nowdays I do like a dozen gigs a year there.

As mentioned, Denmark has high taxes, but all is included. A tax that is not that nice, is the car tax. I think it´s around 170% so buying a new car is really expensive.

A good thing about Denmark if you are a musician, is that they have a minimum wage system that acually works. You never ever get paid less than 1500 DKR (about 255 USD) for a gig. A musician has a greater social status there than in a lot of other countries, among them Sweden, were we often are treated as dogs...

I would love to live in Denmark myself, so I don´t think you have to worry that much, just move! Also check out Skagen, nice place. Every building is painted yellow like this one Invalid Link Removed and there´s no trash or junk on the streets at all. Super clean.

Good luck!
 
From what I remember, Denmark is a much warmer country than Norway. It should be considering that it is further south.
It's very flat, I think their highest point is like 300M above sea level.

flat is fine... I'm like 12 miles from the ocean in a relatively flat region of the USA. I like what I've read about temperatures.

If you like bicycling, most of their roads have designated bicycle lanes (they have sidewalks too of course).

I don't mind it, but don't do it often... I will definitely embrace that aspect of life though.

Stuff is cheap. Their food - household groceries, that is - tastes bad. I guess you'll get used to it.

Cheap is good... and I'm sure we will get used to the foods there.

Thanks for the insights.

Denmark is nice. I´m from Sweden and danes tend to not like swedes, almost like the US and Canada relationship... :)

so is Denmark the US or Canada in that analogy? :D



As mentioned, Denmark has high taxes, but all is included. A tax that is not that nice, is the car tax. I think it´s around 170% so buying a new car is really expensive.

Well I cannot afford a new car here either... I've always preferred keeping to 10 year old cars anyway.


A musician has a greater social status there than in a lot of other countries, among them Sweden, were we often are treated as dogs...

This is of great importance to me... not specifically the musician treatment, but of all peoples. I've read a LOT of references to a distinct lack of social, ethnic and religious bias in Denmark. I hope that is truly the case... that is one of the biggest pluses for me.


I would love to live in Denmark myself, so I don´t think you have to worry that much, just move!

Need a job and money and... nerve :)

Step one is to visit and get a feel for the place. It's a huge and overwhelming task. I wish I would have had the drive to do it 20 years ago when I was a little less comfortable and settled. We need to start thinking like young single people to streamline our lives and possessions to be portable.

Also check out Skagen, nice place. Every building is painted yellow like this one Invalid Link Removed and there´s no trash or junk on the streets at all. Super clean.

That place looks and sounds awesome.

Good luck!

Thanks :)
 
not to mention all the great death metal in that area :cool:

Ah yes...Evergrey for example!

Hey James:

I have always enjoyed reading your posts. I hope you let us know your decision and if you get to Europe...you'll have to send us an OP-ED piece of your findings...

My fave place would be Sweden. I love the culture, Yngwie, and the music scene for sure. (For the record: I am NOT a death metal fan...but I can appreciate it I guess.) I think I would move there by choice if I were going to move to Europe. Spain would be perfect, only because I am fluent-but as a previous poster said-the current economical climate doesn't sound appealing. Would you be buying a house out there? The prices are out of this world compared to the US. (It appears that housing-especially flats are much smaller. Updating to "American Standards" to live as you do here is probably going to cost you big time though.

My friend, a pro drummer moved from California to the Netherlands specifically to play out there. However, getting a work visa was quite difficult and then he settled in Germany. He's been living there for years now and seems to have acclimated well enough. (Getting a work visa in Germany wasn't the easiest thing to do either, but he lucked out.)

Best of luck to you James!~

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You will be a foreigner.
In America we're very used to moving around our states.
But in a small European country like Denmark, I don't think it will be what you think it will be.
You're also not the only one to target Denmark because of good press. The people of those countries tolerate some immigration for refugees and to fill low skilled jobs but I question how accepted an American targeting their country to gain some perceived even better standard of living (not a job assignement) would be.
Europe is not the promised land for immigrants. It's not like America.
They see America as this big powerful expansive nation that can absorb immigrants and it is.
European nations, particularly the very small ones are radically different. There is also a major language protection/preservation issue in these nations. Danish and Dutch (for example) are "small" European languages and there is fear that they will disappear, buried by English, for example.
 
Flying around Europe is dirt cheap too, with close to 60 low cost airlines.

Living in Europe is excellent. Be aware of the risk of never wanting to leave. We left Canada for a two year family adventure. We've been gone for 12 years with no plans to return. This is home now for our adult children.
 
I have been seriously considering Australia, but unfortunately unless I can find an employer to sponsor me I wouldn't be able to migrate. I have transferable skills, Opto-Mech tech, but don't have enough experience to "go it alone".

Australia has a good climate, good economy and always rates in the top 10 for "best country to live, happiest citizens, etc." polls.

You should be fine to apply for a working visa, PR or even citizenship without a sponsor.
 
You will be a foreigner.
In America we're very used to moving around our states.
But in a small European country like Denmark, I don't think it will be what you think it will be.
You're also not the only one to target Denmark because of good press. The people of those countries tolerate some immigration for refugees and to fill low skilled jobs but I question how accepted an American targeting their country to gain some perceived even better standard of living (not a job assignement) would be.
Europe is not the promised land for immigrants. It's not like America.
They see America as this big powerful expansive nation that can absorb immigrants and it is.
European nations, particularly the very small ones are radically different. There is also a major language protection/preservation issue in these nations. Danish and Dutch (for example) are "small" European languages and there is fear that they will disappear, buried by English, for example.

I don´t think that´s the case with Denmark, or Sweden. An immigrant refugee doesn´t have to stick to the low skilled jobs, because studying at a university is free and opened for everyone(if you have a high school exam or similar). So whether you want to stick to the low skilled jobs or not is basically up to you. What you need is to learn the language well, so you can communicate fluidly.

In nordic countries, there´s more need for people with academic exams, like doctors, engineers, IT-people etc, than cleaners, pizza makers, taxi-drivers etc... The people that are unemployed here, are generally not that high educated.


Basically, if you have a job and pay tax, you´re more then welcome.
 
Cheap is good... and I'm sure we will get used to the foods there.

If you´re from Norway, Denmark might seem cheap. Compared to Sweden, Denmark is a little bit more expensive, if count in the exchange rate between the currencies. But the pricetags is almost the same. A beer cost around 50 crowns at the pubs, both in Sweden and Denmark...

so is Denmark the US or Canada in that analogy? :D

Canada!

This is of great importance to me... not specifically the musician treatment, but of all peoples. I've read a LOT of references to a distinct lack of social, ethnic and religious bias in Denmark. I hope that is truly the case... that is one of the biggest pluses for me.

That´s true to some extent.


That place looks and sounds awesome.

It is. Last time I was there, like 2 months ago, I saw a couple of nice houses for sale. Price around 2,5 million DKr... That´s basically what you have to pay for a nice, new appartment here in Gothenburg which got me thinking...


You´re welcome!
 
But now that you've brought it up, I'm curious as to the real life tales of Denmark... because the PR they spin has me believing they are an overly happy 'green' country void of hate and prejudices. Everyone is provided for and nobody works more than 37 hours a week... and even though they don't judge, every single one of them is beautiful :)

Hey James, Danish resident here. Alas, Denmark is not void of hate or prejudice (no country inhabited by the human animal is). Depends on where you go, though, and where and how you look at the big picture. First of all, let me apologise for the generalisations I'm about to make - but they are necessary to keep things short. You're welcome to PM me and get an expanded, more nuanced version.

Some people see xenophobic tendencies in one or another form, but then again a lot of these people are quick to cry wolf. As a typical Scandinavian type I have been called a racist several times because my default position is to treat everyone exactly the same -can't please everyone!

You'd probably wanna go to one of the "bigger" cities. You cited Aarhus, and there's Copenhagen (where I live) and few other places. Smaller towns and the sticks tend to be less forthcoming to strangers. Not saying "don't go there to work", since I know several foreigners who've earned prominent places in small local communities - but it's a potential obstacle you won't encounter to the same degree in the cities.

That said, the general city dweller's perception of "an American" is probably that of a tourist yelling loudly, saying the wrong things. But that should work to your advantage, actually, since you won't be like the average bumbag-wearing backpacker or cruise guest. Danes like when you make an effort to understand and respect the culture, so even small gestures in that direction will help you.

The IT business is everywhere, but I know there's a lot of competition, not only with regards to skill level but also to how many hours you are willing to work. But you probably know that from over there. Dunno how it works in US but here your employer can't slave you around - overtime is your choice. I worked at Carlsberg Breweries for a year and there were some people I never saw move out of their seat. The young guys with no wife or children don't mind putting loads of work, something that even guys in their 30's (like me) can't and won't do anymore. All this is "off the record", though, so should you get laid off for not wanting to put in +45 hours a week in a 37 hour job, you'll have a very good case though.

Also, Danish Bacon is highly overrated, IMO.