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Rob or Jason

#22
AaronVonRock said:
Jason. I prefer his style of playing and I think he's a more talented musician since he actually writes songs. Rob just seems like a hired gun to me. Good player, stick him in any band and he gets the job done, but nothing stands out about him (other than his gorilla posture when he plays).
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you clearly have never listened to Infectious Grooves ;)
Sarsippius Ark is one of my all time favorite albums

i feel Rob is wasted in Metallica, he needs to at least do a side project and get funky again!
 
#26
williamk said:
with Cliff it was way different, I think! you could really hear the bass and the bass parts in early Metallica...with Jason and Rob, not so much.
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Actually on the black album you can hear the bass. It was their first album with Bob Rock and Bob Rock had the bass audible he believed in Jason....Sad for him his band didn't it took the producer to get him heard.

Rob I feel is more techniquly savvy but creatively no were near Jason. It could be Metallicas doing they may want him as a hired hand. I give it up to Jason though he fought for his creativity hence him leaving Jason does have tight timing and nice tone.
 
#27
I haven't listened to Infectious Grooves since when I was in college. I just watched a few videos and it was exactly like I remembered. Much like hair metal and 80s guitar shredders, early 90s heavy, funky rock didn't age well.

I forgot even Ozzy jumped on the funk bandwagon.
 
#29
Possible thread derailer (slight Infectious Grooves content):

After watching a few more rock videos from the early 90s, I noticed that hospitals, medical labs, psych wards, and evil scientists mixing beakers that smoke and bubble are a common motif.


Is there a common motif today for heavy rock videos like there was in the 80s and 90s?
 
#30
AaronVonRock said:
I haven't listened to Infectious Grooves since when I was in college. I just watched a few videos and it was exactly like I remembered. Much like hair metal and 80s guitar shredders, early 90s heavy, funky rock didn't age well.

I forgot even Ozzy jumped on the funk bandwagon.
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Alright, I'll bite. Your position is that funky rock didn't age well. My response to that is that starting around the time that RATM and IF put out their early albums, rock took a funky edge that still hasn't disappeared. You've got bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Incubus, Deftones, Maroon 5, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, SOAD, Franz Ferdinand, and MUSE among others. Many of these bands are still putting out records that sell fairly well.

I'd say that it aged well with the general public, and that nearly every rock band I hear on modern rock radio today has a funky edge that, well frankly has been around since the '70s.

I think it may be safer to say that you don't like funky rock which is fine. It doesn't mean it hasn't aged well among those people that spend money on music.
 
#32
Boom762 said:
They still make videos?
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#33
AaronVonRock said:
Jason. I prefer his style of playing and I think he's a more talented musician since he actually writes songs. Rob just seems like a hired gun to me. Good player, stick him in any band and he gets the job done, but nothing stands out about him (other than his gorilla posture when he plays).
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Define the phrase " actually writes songs" please.
I'll admit I had to go peruse the interwebs to gather some information. But I'm curious as to what you think writing a song means.
 
#34
Fat Steve said:
Alright, I'll bite. Your position is that funky rock didn't age well. My response to that is that starting around the time that RATM and IF put out their early albums, rock took a funky edge that still hasn't disappeared. You've got bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Incubus, Deftones, Maroon 5, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, SOAD, Franz Ferdinand, and MUSE among others. Many of these bands are still putting out records that sell fairly well.

I'd say that it aged well with the general public, and that nearly every rock band I hear on modern rock radio today has a funky edge that, well frankly has been around since the '70s.

I think it may be safer to say that you don't like funky rock which is fine. It doesn't mean it hasn't aged well among those people that spend money on music.
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I actually think the heavy funky rock movement predated RATM by a few years. I think RHCP Mother's Milk really kicked it off with their Higher Ground cover becoming huge. I remember that album coming out the summer I graduated high school. By the end of my first year in college in 1990, it seemed almost every heavy band was taking a stab at being funky. Then there were tons of RHCP clones just like a few years later there were tons of Nirvana clones. Then came the RATM clones which are many of the bands you listed.

I was never a fan of nu metal like Korn, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit... My friend termed those bands and their ilk "tampon rock" cause it's songs by men (now in their 40s) that talk about being bullied in high school by jocks and having a mean stepdad.
 
#36
madman4string said:
Define the phrase " actually writes songs" please.
I'll admit I had to go peruse the interwebs to gather some information. But I'm curious as to what you think writing a song means.
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Well, Jason has a new band and album called (wait for it) Newsted in which he wrote all the songs. After Metallica, he had a band called Echobrain where he wrote the songs. He wrote some songs on the Voivod albums when he was in that band.

So I guess what I consider writing a song is when someone comes up with music and lyrics and then puts some sort of structure to it.
 
#38
Flotsam and Jetsom, Echobrain ( which BTW he started as a member of Metallica not after), Voivod, and now Newsted...are all bands Jason either helped form or fully funded. I would hope he writes music for bands he forms. Lyrically, his biggest contributions writing were Flotsam and now his namesake band. Musically he's only credited with three songs for Metallica. Others, he's just playing along.

Now, on to Rob. With Suicidal and Infectious, he co-wrote over 70% of Suicidals music and at least half of IGs first two albums. He wrote with Zach in BLS. He has now written a whole album with Metallica.

I personally like both players, but do think Rob is a better player. Both are excellent players just different approaches.
 
#39
AaronVonRock said:
Well, Jason has a new band and album called (wait for it) Newsted in which he wrote all the songs. After Metallica, he had a band called Echobrain where he wrote the songs. He wrote some songs on the Voivod albums when he was in that band.

So I guess what I consider writing a song is when someone comes up with music and lyrics and then puts some sort of structure to it.
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The band is Newsted, the album is Heavy Metal Music. And it ROCKS.
 
#40
I feel that jason complimented metallica much more overall than rob, even though rob is technically a "better" player but can't really compare the two. One started out with metallica, the other with suicidal tendencies... No one even knows for sure if cliff would still be with metallica if he was still around.... Just some things to think about
 

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