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Rob or Jason
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BassHouston
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Look into some of his work with Infectious Grooves and maybe you'll have better appreciation of his playing
See post #23 and #27.
Rob's really good, I just prefer Jason's style and sound both in and outside of Metallica.
If you're judging on the whole package of stage presence and recorded lines and live performance and all that....you can't discount the importance of the uneven playing field that Cliff was a full-fledged band member, Jason lived in that awful limbo zone where he was supposed to be a band member but it didn't pan out that way for him, and Rob KNOWS he is not really a band member as much as a guy riding out the last years of a legendary band.
That huge difference in your place in the machine means they're not all going to take the same chances or make artistic statements or whatever.
That huge difference in your place in the machine means they're not all going to take the same chances or make artistic statements or whatever.
Mmmmm...just kinda assumed that he is familiar with the long-established, well-documented role that a bassist plays in Lars and James' band. He can't have gone into it thinking he is a full partner in the way Jason did.
Or was it the "last years" part? That was based on that Metallica has been putting out albums for 30 years already and are unlikely do be doing this into their 80s.
Or was it the "last years" part? That was based on that Metallica has been putting out albums for 30 years already and are unlikely do be doing this into their 80s.
I think both him and Metallica probably do view his as offically in the band. I can't see them replacing him.
Okay well....yeah I am sure if you asked any of them if Rob is "in the band" they will reply of course he is. But is he "in the band" in the way Cliff was a member of the band, holding significant influence over their sound and an equal voting partner in band decisions? I highly doubt it.
CJ Ramone was in the Ramones after Dee Dee left, and he did a great job. But when you think of the legendary status of the Ramones, you don't think of CJ, you think of Dee Dee. And when you step back and consider the mighty Metallica and their huge impact on metal....you don't envision Rob. Because he wasn't there for their massively influential glory days. You see James and Lars and Kirk and a kinda blurry face behind them....to me that face looks like Jason...
CJ Ramone was in the Ramones after Dee Dee left, and he did a great job. But when you think of the legendary status of the Ramones, you don't think of CJ, you think of Dee Dee. And when you step back and consider the mighty Metallica and their huge impact on metal....you don't envision Rob. Because he wasn't there for their massively influential glory days. You see James and Lars and Kirk and a kinda blurry face behind them....to me that face looks like Jason...
Ditto. Jason was just amazing in his tonality within the albums. Can't imagine they could have sounded better with a different cat. Btw his isolated bass tracks on And Justice are absolutely terrifyingly blistering. The sharpest and fastest of all the bassist that band has employed. Zero slop.
Fat Steve
The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.
Cliff got music composition credit for 11 songs across 4 albums and Rob got musical contribution credit for 10 songs on 1 album. By comparison Jason got credit for 3 songs across 4 albums. So while we can sit here in the cheap seats and speculate about how little Rob is a member of the band, the proof is in the credits. Apparently they consider him to be a full member of the band if they (Hetfield and Ullrich) are willing to let him take that much credit.
Or, you know, we can keep thinking from the gut, as it feels like Rob isn't a full member, whatever that means.
Jason has by far the best tone of all the Metallica bassists. I think he was the best man for the job.
Rob should have stayed with Suicidal/Infectious. He's a killer funk player, but his tone sucks on the last few albums he's played on (with Ozzy as well).
I think Cliff's weight within the band was overrated and probably exaggerated because of his tragic death. I still love him, though.
Rob should have stayed with Suicidal/Infectious. He's a killer funk player, but his tone sucks on the last few albums he's played on (with Ozzy as well).
I think Cliff's weight within the band was overrated and probably exaggerated because of his tragic death. I still love him, though.
Hey listen, I'm not arguing that Jason was the most "in the band" of all the bassists or my favorite bass player or the best player or anything like that. I'm just saying in my head when I picture "Metallica" I picture Jason because he was the bassist for most of the time I was a Metallifan.
What I will say, tho, is that total number of songwriting credits doesn't equate how important they are to the band. Certainly Jason played way more shows and did more press junkets and appeared on more albums than Rob has so far, those are just as relevant a metric if not more. I would also dare say that in recent years James and Lars have gotten no small ration of **** over the way they have treated bassists so it would be to their great benefit to appear to be much more "inclusive" with Rob....which would most easily be done by being generous with the songwriting credits....but I do not at all believe that if Rob came up with an original idea like "let's do a duet album with Lou Reed" they would have said "Great idea Rob!"
Really, none of us are Rob or Lars so who knows.
Fat Steve
The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.
The part my post was speaking to was where you wrote:
Songwriting credits speak directly to the above bold portion of the quote.
As for Lulu, it is the only Metallica album I have never owned. I've also never listened to any of the songs other than "The View", which I didn't enjoy. As a result, I didn't buy the album.
I will agree with you that when I think about Metallica, I always picture Jason as the bassist, as that was the lineup through my formative years as a Metallica fan. It still takes me about a second to realize that Rob is in fact the permanent bassist.
Ok. You made the claim with such certainty, so I thought maybe Trujillo said that in an interview or something.
As for what Trujillo thought when joining Metallica, I don't think the information about Newsted's treatment in the band was very public at the time. Correct me if I'm wrong though. I don't remember there being many confirmed details floating around on the Internet back then. But then again, I hadn't paid much attention to "Metal"lica during those years so I definitely could've missed it.
But if I'm right and if Newsted's treatment wasn't public knowledge then I don't see any reason why Trujillo wouldn't consider himself joining as a full band member. As you said in your later posts, Trujillo most likely doesn't have as much pull as Burton did, but I don't even know if Hammet does either. They put out an album where the lead guitarist wasn't allowed to play...leads
However, I'd still consider Hammet a fulltime band member.
