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Robert Trujillo's work in Metallica

I just read something where the singer from Slipknot said that James Hetfield told him that he feels like the most hated guy in America sometimes because of how crappy Metallica's fans are. So yeah, I do think it gets to them now and then. Meanwhile, what's he supposed to do? Rewrite the first album 100 times? Take polls? Nah, I think the best attitude is "---- our -----y fans." That's what I would do.
 
I just read something where the singer from Slipknot said that James Hetfield told him that he feels like the most hated guy in America sometimes because of how crappy Metallica's fans are. So yeah, I do think it gets to them now and then. Meanwhile, what's he supposed to do? Rewrite the first album 100 times? Take polls? Nah, I think the best attitude is "---- our -----y fans." That's what I would do.

Every band faces difficulties with staying relevant, it's exactly HOW Metallica has handled those difficulties that irks some fans.
The first issue is what happened to them in the 90s. Almost all of the major trash bands that were putting out insanely good albums in the late 80 through about 1992 were blind sided by grunge and saw their markets almost immediately start to evaporate. Many bands, Metallica included, shifted gears and released albums that were intended to keep them relevant but instead alienated their fan base. Youthanasia; terrible. Sound of White Noise; not even recognizable as Anthrax. Exodus' Force of Habit was so bad the band broke up for 12 years. The Black Album, Load, Reload; attempts at alternative radio rock that was never going to get on the radio and never going to be appreciated by their fans. They all tried too hard and were punished for it.
Second, Metallica made a legit effort to get back to speed/trash with St. Anger, but the recording was really one of the crappiest things ever purposefully put on tape; it staggers the mind and offends the ears. They had Bob Rock sort-of play bass and Lars sounds like he's playing trash cans. His two kick drums aren't even mixed the same. They either weren't paying attention or purposely said F it.
Third, Death Magnetic brought in a legit bass player that is almost completely inaudible on another recording that so so poorly mixed that is sounds like Lars' snare is right next to your head. The entire thing is really the gold standard for how the Loudness War can make an album completely unlistenable. Not that there is a single memorable song or riff on the while CD anyway.
Also somewhere about the time the self titled CD came out James must of had a stroke or something because he forgot how to write lyrics. Really examine the imagery and ideas expressed on Master of Puppets and Justice; they are far more engaging and adult than the pseudo biker bar stuff on their last two CDs. Its like going from To Kill A Mocking Bird to Twilight.

Now, before I'm written off as an angry "they were better then" guy, I'd like to point out that I've given them chances. I own St. Anger and DM, I try to listen to them every once it a while, but they just aren't good by many measures. I don't care about the "sell out" thing. I love it when a band I like makes money. I'm super pumped that Opeth is as huge as they are now because when I started listening to them in the late 90s they couldn't even get proper US distribution. I totally dislike their last 2 CDs, but I don't hate them for being popular. I've listened to Slipknot since their self titled CD and have never knocked them for being popular. I see the hate that's thrown at them, which is really generated by the fact that they are huge. The bigger you are the more people like to take shots at you; I get it. But a lot of the misgivings about Metallica isn't about them being big. They were huge when And Justice for All came out, I loved that they performed One at an awards show and was super pissed about the infamous Jethro Tull incident. It's because they shifted gears in a way that left people scratching their heads.
They could be so much more as band. Judas Priest and Iron Maiden have been around longer survived more drastic changes than Metallica and don't have the same backlash. Metalheads are really into highly technical playing right now, I think Metallica has the ability to put out some brain warping stuff, especially if they let Rob off the leash.
 
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Every band faces difficulties with staying relevant, it's exactly HOW Metallica has handled those difficulties that irks some fans.
The first issue is what happened to them in the 90s. Almost all of the major trash bands that were putting out insanely good albums in the late 80 through about 1992 were blind sided by grunge and saw their markets almost immediately start to evaporate. Many bands, Metallica included, shifted gears and released albums that were intended to keep them relevant but instead alienated their fan base. Youthanasia; terrible. Sound of White Noise; not even recognizable as Anthrax. Exodus' Force of Habit was so bad the band broke up for 12 years. The Black Album, Load, Reload; attempts at alternative radio rock that was never going to get on the radio and never going to be appreciated by their fans. They all tried too hard and were punished for it.
Second, Metallica made a legit effort to get back to speed/trash with St. Anger, but the recording was really one of the crappiest things ever purposefully put on tape; it staggers the mind and offends the ears. They had Bob Rock sort-of play bass and Lars sounds like he's playing trash cans. His two kick drums aren't even mixed the same. They either weren't paying attention or purposely said F it.
Third, Death Magnetic brought in a legit bass player that is almost completely inaudible on another recording that so so poorly mixed that is sounds like Lars' snare is right next to your head. The entire thing is really the gold standard for how the Loudness War can make an album completely unlistenable. Not that there is a single memorable song or riff on the while CD anyway.
Also somewhere about the time the self titled CD came out James must of had a stroke or something because he forgot how to write lyrics. Really examine the imagery and ideas expressed on Master of Puppets and Justice; they are far more engaging and adult than the pseudo biker bar stuff on their last two CDs. Its like going from To Kill A Mocking Bird to Twilight.

Now, before I'm written off as an angry "they were better then" guy, I'd like to point out that I've given them chances. I own St. Anger and DM, I try to listen to them every once it a while, but they just aren't good by many measures. I don't care about the "sell out" thing. I love it when a band I like makes money. I'm super pumped that Opeth is as huge as they are now because when I started listening to them in the late 90s they couldn't even get proper US distribution. I totally dislike their last 2 CDs, but I don't hate them for being popular. I've listened to Slipknot since their self titled CD and have never knocked them for being popular. I see the hate that's thrown at them, which is really generated by the fact that they are huge. The bigger you are the more people like to take shots at you; I get it. But a lot of the misgivings about Metallica isn't about them being big. They were huge when And Justice for All came out, I loved that they performed One at an awards show and was super pissed about the infamous Jethro Tull incident. It's because they shifted gears in a way that left people scratching their heads.
They could be so much more as band. Judas Priest and Iron Maiden have been around longer survived more drastic changes than Metallica and don't have the same backlash. Metalheads are really into highly technical playing right now, I think Metallica has the ability to put out some brain warping stuff, especially if they let Rob off the leash.
Well if Lars and James stop controlling everything like kids.....great post: all my sentiments as well
 
Every band faces difficulties with staying relevant, it's exactly HOW Metallica has handled those difficulties that irks some fans.
The first issue is what happened to them in the 90s. Almost all of the major trash bands that were putting out insanely good albums in the late 80 through about 1992 were blind sided by grunge and saw their markets almost immediately start to evaporate. Many bands, Metallica included, shifted gears and released albums that were intended to keep them relevant but instead alienated their fan base. Youthanasia; terrible. Sound of White Noise; not even recognizable as Anthrax. Exodus' Force of Habit was so bad the band broke up for 12 years. The Black Album, Load, Reload; attempts at alternative radio rock that was never going to get on the radio and never going to be appreciated by their fans. They all tried too hard and were punished for it.
Heard several songs off those albums on the radio, which were some of the biggest selling metal in history and got played on the radio constantly. For every fan like you that they allegedly lost, they gained two or three new fans. The funniest thing, though, is how you say they lost their relevance, yet had the biggest albums of their careers and still sell platinum and sell out arenas and stadiums to this day.
 
Metallica is in a unique position right now to be able to turn metal on its ear, which it is more than due for. Don't know if they will or not, but the opportunity is there. Metal has become boring in its sameness again. I'm already sick to death of Cookie Monster vocals and lyrics I can't understand because somebody's deep throating the mic.

I think the above is why thrash bands that have been gone for a decade and a half are seeing renewed popularity.
 
Heard several songs off those albums on the radio, which were some of the biggest selling metal in history and got played on the radio constantly. For every fan like you that they allegedly lost, they gained two or three new fans. The funniest thing, though, is how you say they lost their relevance, yet had the biggest albums of their careers and still sell platinum and sell out arenas and stadiums to this day.

There's an incorrect idea that people can both be unhappy with Metallica AND still be fans.
They didn't loose me as a fan, and like I said I bought SA and DM in the hope that I would find something. Shame on me. What's more I will never deny that Ride the Lightening, Master Of Puppets and ..And Justice For All are three of the greatest metal albums ever made. But THAT'S what they are banking on. They sell out shows because people have purposeful amnesia from 1991 on. I can guarantee you that there isn't a single real metal head around, some one whose primary listen choice is metal, that hears anything of off Load, Reload, St Anger or Death Magnetic and says "That blows Damage Inc or Dyers Eve out of the water."
So when people give James, Lars or Kirk a hard time 1.) It's there fault for pulling back the curtain with Some Kind of Monster (didn't they learn anything from the Osbournes?); and 2.) They punked out with little to show for it. Like I said in my other post a band like Opeth basically set fire to all their old material with the release of Heritage and Pale Communion. What they replaced it with a completely different sort of genius, a genius I don't like, I genius I won't buy, but something that is undeniably competent. Job For A Cowboy's newest release Sun Eater is sharp 90 degree turn from where they were before, but MAN did they step it up a notch.
Now take a different band, Slayer, that has been nearly the exact same band for 30 years. They've always been faster, heavier and darker than Metallica, never had the mass appeal of Metallica, but in two recent polls on MetalSucks.com other musicians and readers ranked Slayer higher than Metallica. Why? They never bitched out.
Metallica hasn't stuck to a working formula nor changed direction in a strong enough way to look like an artistic choice. THAT'S why they get ragged on so much.

I don't want to see them disappear, like say Megadeth (time to call quits Mustaine!), but really think they could reinvent themselves into something awesome if they expanded their musical horizons and released a CD that the mix isn't turned up too 11. I think they still have the talent to do great things, I want them to do great things again. This thread started about Rob. LET ROB PLAY! I think that man could potentially beat out Cliff in some ways if they let him have more say. He could be the freshness they need if they were willing to stop treating their bass players like crap.
 
With All due respect to all TBer's, Cliff Burton, Jason Newsted, and Robert Trujillo...all these Bassist are "Hard" And Bad Asses, Period. Cliff with Metallica was How it's suppose to be But unfortunately He died Tragically, and to fill His "Bell Bottoms" and the Void in Metallica could not and will not ever be replaced! Jason with Metallica was hard times for both the Band and Jason, but they continued to record hard Albums, Garage Re-Revisited, Justice, and The Black album! Even with the Huge success of the Black Album, when they linked with Bob Rock I think that's one of the factor which brought upon change in the Band! And again without Burton there to Contribute to Song writing and Decision making... "In my opinion" is why things then on made a major Change overall!! Honestly I can say is while watching the Some Kind of Monster Documentary, when Lars stated something like Cliff probably would not be the Bass player they're looking for these day I can only say "I think Cliff, at this point Lars would of Left the Band a long time Ago anyways."
 
Two decades later, Trujillo is arguably the most suitable bassist for Metallica, given his gentle and mild-mannered personality. In an established band, it’s not just an individual’s musicianship that matters, but also their personality and how well they fit within the group dynamic. There have been multiple instances of Trujillo taking crap from Hetfield & Lars without allowing it to undermine his position as a musician. There was this incident where Trujillo played a Newsted riff with a pick and got called out by Hetfield over it, for absolute nothing. I think Trujillo is one of the few people who could handle that kind of treatment while still maintaining his confidence and standing in the band, without escalating to the kind of hazing Newsted experienced.
 

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