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Rock n Roll lost something after 1959

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When I was younger I definitely loved the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks, The Who, Led Zeppelin, etc. All the so-called classic rock.

But lately I've been rediscovering Elvis Presley and I love how he absorbed gospel and R&B, and combined it with his own rockabilly style.

I think there was a lot of good POP music in the 60s and after, but as far as Rock, it's just been missing something.

What do you think?
 
I think there’s been great music from every era - even last week! Great music that combined elements of other great music and great music that’s largely original.

People have a tendency to pick an era - any era - and say “That’s when music was great” but the truth is there’s great music from every era and the reason people pinpoint certain timeframes as being the epitome of music is because they’re only remembering the music from that era that’s actually memorable.

There was just as much crap in 1959 as there was in 1965, 1972, 1980 and 1995. We just don’t remember it because it’s crap. What we remember is the cream; the top 10% from any time period that’s actually worthwhile.

Rock & roll was great in 1959. Was it greater than Live At Leeds? Greater than Zeppelin III? Back in Black? Nevermind? I don’t know. It all depends upon what resonates with you. I really like 1950s rockabilly (and the artists who recreate and borrow some of it’s characteristics) but I also really love a ton of later R&R.
 
Rock (and its siblings, gospel, jazz, blues, and country) all come from a common source, and a bit of a change or rhythm makes is jazz instead of gospel instead of country, etc.

Memphis in those days, at the epicenter of the Mississippi Delta, that stew of blues, black and white gospel, country, all these influences combined in Elvis, and so many of us from that part of America, that main vein of black music everything sprang from.

You hear this is Elvis' music from those days, and over time, many more variations developed all the way to today, and rare to hear it today. But that blend of blues, gospel, country, and rock and roll is very, very potent, and my favorite blend.
 
Music was more siloed in the 1950s with less overlap of genres than in the 1960s. Rock 'n' Roll was its own bad self, but you also had pop, blues, jump blues, jazz, standards (i.e., the Great American Song Book). Once the British Invasion became prominent, the nomenclature became Rock and then splintered into sub-genres: pop rock, folk rock, blues rock, bubble-gum rock, etc.

The fifties stuff was more challenging for dancers; you actually had to know the steps to the dance. No wiggling in place.
 
To my ear "Rock and Roll" lost it's roll. More straight 8ths, losing the swing feel.
Got a more straight ahead driving feel.
I like both swing 8ths and straight 8ths; and rock/pop/+ music of ye olden days as well as today's stuff.

Was playing with an old pro jazz drummer who HATED rock & roll/rock and would swing everything. Would ask him to play a rock beat and the response would always be "That stuff is boring." If I insisted on straight 8s he would always play a latin. g00d times
 
As much as I really hate that song, Don McLean wrapped the answer up with a bow on top, but there were plenty of other extenuating circumstances as well.
Any explosive musical trend has a short shelf life and an arc, and after four years, it happened. Adults generally still hated the music, thought it was a communist plot to destroy the moral fiber, etc, etc, but other factors came into play. RCA tamed Elvis’ feral power, fed him blander, safer material to perform, but beyond that, not for a minute did I ever believe that him being drafted was a random occurrence. So public enemy #1 was taken care of.
Bill Haley had pretty much run what he was doing into the ground, Jerry Lee Lewis had outraged enough people with his kissin’ cousin situation, Chuck Berry got entrapped and sent up the river, Little Richard had his identity crisis, Alan Freed was taken down(thrown under the bus by Dick Clark, who stood to gain), a payback for getting the whole thing going in the first place as a promoter, and then that plane crash.
Big Bopper was a novelty act footnote, Valens may have been a hero in the barrio, but overall had not really established himself in a big way, so there was Buddy, on his way to greater things, barely getting to his potential, then gone.
Eddie Cochran as well, soon to follow. He really hadn’t hit his stride, and could have done so much more. Gene Vincent was still trading on his badboy image when that accident happened, but his appeal, like all the indie rockabilly at the time, was limited. When the smoke cleared, there was only the watered down “maltshop” and vocal group stuff left, entertaining but not compelling. The beast had been contained.
Black entertainers were only going to get so far, and let’s face it, so much of that original era sounded the same. In spite of the excitement it originally created, the genre had played itself out(not to mention the body count), and anything that replaced it was carefully controlled. The next stop was the Brylcreamed Frankie and Bobby era.
 
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Give a listen to Hank Williams. He’s way more rock than most of us would give him credit for. He incorporated the blues form into his music but made it something a little different at the same time. And he did it without a drummer! “Settin the Woods on Fire” was a standout track for me off his 1953 Memorial Album.

Doesn’t help the post-1959 argument any!
 
Keith Richards has talked about how rock and roll eventually evolved into "marching music" - "rock" music. Lost its roll. The exact time frame for that can be debated, but I tend to agree with his overall point. I still like a lot of rock music, but what I really love is the roll. :bassist:
 
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As much as I really hate that song, Don McLean wrapped the answer up with a bow on top,

Actually, I run hot and cold on that song. I would love to be able to play the bass part note-for-note. But that song along with this video pretty much nails the era for me. Except for hair color, the girl in the video very closely resembles a girl I went to school with, especially with regard to hairstyle and profile. And that girl was fine!

 
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I think that as technology for recording and hearing music live and at home changed, our increase in desire for the simpler ways we used to do those things becomes more attractive.

The same thing seems to be occurring with people discussing how simpler life was before the internet.

Music also became a much bigger business as it was further commercialized as a growing middle class in the USA now had increasing amounts of disposable income to spend on music, HiFi, Concert Tickets, etc.
 
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When I was younger I definitely loved the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks, The Who, Led Zeppelin, etc. All the so-called classic rock.

But lately I've been rediscovering Elvis Presley and I love how he absorbed gospel and R&B, and combined it with his own rockabilly style.

I think there was a lot of good POP music in the 60s and after, but as far as Rock, it's just been missing something.

What do you think?
I think Disco and Hip Hop have altered things tremendously. I believe much of the Jazz today is even way more different. In Jazz you almost have no melody at all compared to the 50's and 60's.
 
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When I was younger I definitely loved the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks, The Who, Led Zeppelin, etc. All the so-called classic rock.

But lately I've been rediscovering Elvis Presley and I love how he absorbed gospel and R&B, and combined it with his own rockabilly style.

I think there was a lot of good POP music in the 60s and after, but as far as Rock, it's just been missing something.

What do you think?
I think you sound like Bowzer from Sha Na Na, who once told me that the Beatles were the end of rock and roll as far as he was concerned. His opinion and he’s welcome to it since there’s a lot to love about 50s rock.
 
When I was younger I definitely loved the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks, The Who, Led Zeppelin, etc. All the so-called classic rock.

But lately I've been rediscovering Elvis Presley and I love how he absorbed gospel and R&B, and combined it with his own rockabilly style.

I think there was a lot of good POP music in the 60s and after, but as far as Rock, it's just been missing something.

What do you think?

i recommend listening to some of Elvis’ influences, what he probably listened to.