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Rockbass Corvette 5 2010 Preamp question

The 2006 RB Corvette was a very different animal to the post 2010 RB’s, Warwick had a total rethink of the production due to many issues, QC being one of them. I don’t share the popular dislike of the BECII preamp, but it certainly was not an option in the standard Corvette & Streamer RB’s. On the plus side, it’s very easy to replace!

I’m fairly sure the preamp hasn’t been replaced, the photos of my electronics cavity looked exactly the same as others I’ve seen from production basses. Now it looks like a rats nest, I need to do a proper screening job before I button it up.
 
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The 2006 RB Corvette was a very different animal to the post 2010 RB’s

I know, as I own a 2012 one as well. it's passive though.

but frankly, I thought the new incarnation is an upgrade rather then a downgrade. it's news for me that the latest Rockbass line doesn't have the MEC preamp and replaced it by something cheaper. then the choice is clear: replace it with a proper preamp and be happy.

I also somehow miss the old thick D-shaped necks from the old Rockbass line.
 
I know, as I own a 2012 one as well. it's passive though.

but frankly, I thought the new incarnation is an upgrade rather then a downgrade. it's news for me that the latest Rockbass line doesn't have the MEC preamp and replaced it by something cheaper. then the choice is clear: replace it with a proper preamp and be happy.

I also somehow miss the old thick D-shaped necks from the old Rockbass line.
I remember reading somewhere (curse of the internet…) that certain pre-2010 models had the MEC preamp, others not. The BOM for that preamp and the very nice pots that come with it must be way over the target for a Squier market bass, so I’m glad they chose an upgradable part to economise on and spent the money on the wood and construction! Ive heard (here we go again) that some of the pre-2010 models could be nasty so maybe it is an upgrade for the range as a whole.

I’m not a fan of the late ‘90s baseball bat necks and I imagine that first time buyers might be repelled when comparing them to a Squier Jazz, for instance. Horses for courses.
 
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Which years RB did you have? I agree about the preamp, the one on my 2010 RB is very noisy, though very well shielded. My tuners are AOK so far, though they’re not Hipshot standard.
I am not positive on the years but I'm fairly sure both are post 2010 models as they have the proper Warwick W logo on the headstock instead of the huge and ugly. Rockbass logo painted across the headstock that and both had horrible preamps in them. I put a mec two band preamp and passive tone control in my Vampyre 5-string with the stock Mec pickups, and a JohnEast Uni 4 knob preamp with Bartolini B-axis jazz pickups in my Corvette 5. I then threw brass gen III JUSTANUTS , hipshot ultralite tuners and extender keys, and all black hardware in both they look, play, and sound like monsters now.
 
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I’m not sure I’d go quite that far, if I add up the money you’ve spent you’re not far from one 90’s streamer or thumb! Sounds like you really enjoyed doing it though!
I put an East U-retro in a Thumb 6 NT fretless when I was deluded enough to think I could play such a thing, and it still sounded just like a Thumb, with eq. I already had an amp that could do that, but it was an interesting excercise.
 
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must be way over the target for a Squier market bass

well, I don't think it's really frank to compare new Rockbasses with Squiers price-wise. for a price of a new RB Corvette in Europe you can buy two new CV Squiers or almost four new Affinitys. a top-of-the-line Indonesian Yamaha like BB735A or TRBX605 will be cheaper than a Rockbass.

the 2010 upgrade rose the price, now a Rockbass costs nearly a grand USD, that's not really a 'Squier market'. from that grand how much did they save by a cheaper preamp, like $50? and got a bass that's both not cheap and needs a preamp upgrade badly?

I admit that pricing in Oz might be a different story. but thanks for the warning.
 
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well, I don't think it's really frank to compare new Rockbasses with Squiers price-wise. for a price of a new RB Corvette in Europe you can buy two new CV Squiers or almost four new Affinitys. a top-of-the-line Indonesian Yamaha like BB735A or TRBX605 will be cheaper than a Rockbass.

the 2010 upgrade rose the price, now a Rockbass costs nearly a grand USD, that's not really a 'Squier market'. from that grand how much did they save by a cheaper preamp, like $50? and got a bass that's both not cheap and needs a preamp upgrade badly?

I admit that pricing in Oz might be a different story. but thanks for the warning.

Fair point - I think I’m biased by having set up a couple of Squier basses and my stepfather’s 28 year old Mexican Fender P over the holidays (I’ve graduated from ‘can you fix my computer’ to ‘can you fix my guitar/bass’ in my extended family) Squier’s are really aspirational starter instruments for many people, and Fender have done a spectacular marketing job on the brand over the years. The build and finish standard is more than ‘good enough’ but there’s nothing very complex about them - no active pickups, no 3D bridges, no laminated necks, no gig bag or strap locks, and especially no preamp. So yes, they’re cheaper but the economies of scale dwarf Warwick’s efforts many times over.

Essentially, none of the Fender-shaped objects I worked on over Christmas could be refined into a bass I wanted to keep playing, something that woke the musician in me. I’d probably feel very differently if i was a 15 yr old with one of them and a Rumble combo (now, those really are a good product) but I’m not. My RB corvette makes a lot of different sounds that speak to my decades of enjoying music, and it’s an instrument I don’t want to put down. It’s like the difference between a Walmart bike and an entry-level Giant or Cannondale if that world speaks to you, they benefit from a lot more time and imagination in the design process. And that costs money.

Having been involved in production (Pro Audio in my case) over the years, the cost of a component in a product is quintupled or sextupled by the time it hits your wallet. The cynic in me says that Warwick needed something to differentiate the RB line from the German instruments without fundamentally compromising the product, something that makes you wish you could afford the extra $1k. Modern electronics is pretty much buttoned up when it comes to signal to noise ratio and low distortion for low-voltage audio circuits, and it probably costs more to cover the time for the decent installation and shielding job - every audio cable in that Corvette cavity was shielded, though a couple solder joints were questionable - than to pay for the components in the preamp. I can imagine some Marketing manager saying ‘no, make it a bit noisier than the MEC preamps’ in order to preserve their aftermarket slice for those that care. Not too noisy, mind you, just not a quiet as the real thing. Another example of that - the RB Streamer NT is in danger of being a really serious bass, they even give it the bronze frets. So why do they turn that sexy streamlined shape into the slightly blobby RB version and cover it in shiny plastic? It’s not like Warwick have no design chops - no, I think they know exactly what they’re doing and it’s called product differentiation.
 
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I’m not sure I’d go quite that far, if I add up the money you’ve spent you’re not far from one 90’s streamer or thumb! Sounds like you really enjoyed doing it though!
I put an East U-retro in a Thumb 6 NT fretless when I was deluded enough to think I could play such a thing, and it still sounded just like a Thumb, with eq. I already had an amp that could do that, but it was an interesting excercise.
I got them both uber cheap one of them was used from a pawn shop and the other was improperly listed as a B stock on ebay for $145 it was the steal of the century. I do have about $1k invested in each after parts fretwork labor ect but they look and sound excellent and I'm not afraid to beat them up on stage. I do own a German fna jazzman too that is also upgraded so that one cost closer to $3k after mods and everything and it's amaizing but
I don't use it live as I'm scared to damage it. For me I'm going to upgrade the preamp tuners and pickups regardless in almost any bass I get more often then not so for my use buying a German made warwick isn't necessarily going to save me any money. I also did these upgrades over time so getting the money was much easier to accomplish.
 
I got them both uber cheap one of them was used from a pawn shop and the other was improperly listed as a B stock on ebay for $145 it was the steal of the century. I do have about $1k invested in each after parts fretwork labor ect but they look and sound excellent and I'm not afraid to beat them up on stage. I do own a German fna jazzman too that is also upgraded so that one cost closer to $3k after mods and everything and it's amaizing but
I don't use it live as I'm scared to damage it. For me I'm going to upgrade the preamp tuners and pickups regardless in almost any bass I get more often then not so for my use buying a German made warwick isn't necessarily going to save me any money. I also did these upgrades over time so getting the money was much easier to accomplish.
You do yo, mate, no one else can do your thing like you do…
 
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I stole my Corvette at the rate I bought it. I got lucky on mine. It's a bolt on that someone stripped out the threads holding the neck joint on. I just used wider and slightly longer screws and I added a center screw from one of the originals and this thing is solid as a rock now. $350 shipped for what I got is pretty crazy especially in this day and age.
 
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Here's a couple quick pics of my 3 Warwicks
 
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I’m hovering on the buy button for a RB Streamer NT 5 Fretless at the monent, and planning a Glockenklang preamp for it.
I stopped hovering and bought it - shipped into the store yesterday and I picked it up, straight from the warehouse. Setup wasn’t great but when that was corrected it’s a bona fide Warwick fretless, with more brightness and zing than I recall. Mind you, the strings are very new :)
The one issue that is going to need some bench work is the Justanut III - I’m guessing its sized for a fretted bass but on this fretless the strings are 2.0-2.5mm off the fretboard and hard to play - and this is with the nut lowered as far as it can go. On another bass it would be time for the nut files, on this one I suppose I can sand the bottom of the justanut until the height is correct. I’ve mailed Warwick support to advise them - hope this is a glitch on this bass alone.
Otherwise, post setup, it’s a great player.
The preamp is cowering in the cavity, it knows it doesn’t have long to live. I’m thinking a Noll or a Glockenklang this time, Noll seem to use the same pots as Warwick do on their real preamps, and the twin mids could be perfect for fretless.
 
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