Roger Waters has to be stupid

[fingerguy]

Why on earth would anybody want to quit working with David Gilmour?

Dave is a great guitar player, and a great singer ...

OMG...lets look at it from the outside and not really seeing it from the inside. It's like asking why Slash left Guns and Roses. It's like asking why Jason left Metallica, and so on.

 

[Gully Foyle]

I'm just saying writing music is a musical skill and talent.

If you retyped war and peace, does that make you a great writer?

 

[Spirit of Ox]

Roger did never wanted to leave.
Roger was bought out.
Roger said once to the "management" that it was either RICK WRIGHT (even prior to the Wall) or him. Then Rick Wright split. He was a hired gun on both The Wall album and tour, but didn't tell this to the public. He was the only one within the band, that earned money from it, all the others lost, because he didn't have a stake in it. So then, if Rick left, Rog was cool with it and wanted to play with the rest of them. Then when "Final Cut" came and had only Waters songs written all over it, session musicians ONLY apart from Dave guesting on a few tracks, they thought "what's the point?" they thought if "he" (rog himself) could do a "solo" album and put the Pink Floyd name all over it, without anyone of the rest participating at all, the 3 of them could just as well produce another album without Rog and put the Pink Floyd name all over it. You know, pro quid pro or what it is called...or really 2 of them as it was on Momentary Lapse.

They didn't write any.

I've never said they were poor writers, they're just not really good musicians. Their skills were about par for their era for other bands of the time, and are substantially below what is currently considered "professional quality."

Why did you mention writing? I was replying to a comment that was trying to pretend that their impact was correlative with their musical ability or talent at their instruments. Which it simply isn't.

Have you ever tried to learn Floyd parts btw? It's all absurdly simple.

That's very true plus no one really owned the name Pink Floyd. I'm pretty sure Syd Barret came up with the name as an homage to Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. Nick Mason was the only original member at that time (before getting Right to rejoin) and figured that he and Gilmour had every right to keep Floyd going.

 

[Altitude]

Rick wasn't a great pianist and the guys I pay $100-$200 to play in my band for joke gigs can play Gilmore's parts note for note, and do a ton of stuff he can't.

They made great music, but you have to be really incorrectly calibrated to think any of them are musically talented.

Nah, it ain't all about chops. Gilmour is instantly identifiable and I give him tons of credit for picking a nice note and holding onto it a while. Nobody else sounds like him.

Or, anyway, if the guys in your joke band sound like him, it's because they're copying him on purpose. I'd love to be a player other guys copy on purpose.

 

[HolmeBass]

Admittedly Roger Waters somehow managed to lay down some pretty interesting both groovy and melodic bass lines on the first couple of releases by Pink Floyd, if that was even him, later though most of supposedly Roger's bass lines were actually recorded by Gilmour.

I know for a fact that when Pink Floyd started out he didn't even know how to tune his own bass.

And this video should be a proof of that whatever talent Roger possibly did use to posses on bass since has mysteriously disappeared:

Well he did say he was drunk.

 

[Joe Ty]

That's very true plus no one really owned the name Pink Floyd. I'm pretty sure Syd Barret came up with the name as an homage to Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. Nick Mason was the only original member at that time (before getting Right to rejoin) and figured that he and Gilmour had every right to keep Floyd going.

A judge somewhere must have agreed given what's transpired over the past 30+ years.

 

[LCAirPasta]

This reminds me of Kyrie Erving...Oops wrong thread-sorry. (not really).

We need to start a "bass players who are also NBA Junkies" thread, in honor of Flea

 

[Gully Foyle]

We need to start a "bass players who are also NBA Junkies" thread, in honor of Flea

Right back where we begin, Gilmour and Waters scrap over hoops all the time

 

[Papalampraina]

Nah, it ain't all about chops. Gilmour is instantly identifiable and I give him tons of credit for picking a nice note and holding onto it a while. Nobody else sounds like him.

Or, anyway, if the guys in your joke band sound like him, it's because they're copying him on purpose. I'd love to be a player other guys copy on purpose.

This is why there is no "best" in music, but "most influential".

 

[lowend1]

Because you see yourself as the supreme master of the band and one guy doesn't want to go along with it.

Oh... only the band? I thought Waters was shooting for the universe.

 

[Nev375]

by the gods...those lyrics are so bad

Well, that's your opinion.

I think they are brilliant.

 

[tbz]

Nah, it ain't all about chops. Gilmour is instantly identifiable and I give him tons of credit for picking a nice note and holding onto it a while. Nobody else sounds like him.

Or, anyway, if the guys in your joke band sound like him, it's because they're copying him on purpose. I'd love to be a player other guys copy on purpose.

I think you misunderstand.

They can play the stuff he plays, and can play a ton of stuff he can't.

Big difference between that and copying someone.

Especially someone like Gilmore, whose playing wasn't really novel, innovative or groundbreaking.

Just read some tabs or learn his parts. I honestly can't think of any that are past Guitar 201 stuff.

If you can find one, please share.

 

[Honch]

All this about "Roger not wanting to play with Dave" :

The Final Cut (album) - Wikipedia

"Following the release of The Final Cut, Waters publicly insisted that Pink Floyd would not reunite. He contacted O'Rourke to discuss settling future royalty payments. O'Rourke felt obliged to inform Mason and Gilmour, which angered Waters, who wanted to dismiss him as the band's manager. He terminated his management contract with O'Rourke and employed Peter Rudge to manage his affairs. Waters wrote to EMI and Columbia announcing he had left the band, and asked them to release him from his contractual obligations. Gilmour believed that Waters left to hasten the demise of Pink Floyd.

Waters later stated that, by not making new albums, Pink Floyd would be in breach of contract—which would suggest that royalty payments would be suspended—and that the other band members had forced him from the group by threatening to sue him. He then went to the High Court in an effort to dissolve the band and prevent the use of the Pink Floyd name, declaring Pink Floyd "a spent force creatively".When his lawyers discovered that the partnership had never been formally confirmed, Waters returned to the High Court in an attempt to obtain a veto over further use of the band's name. Gilmour responded by issuing a carefully worded press release affirming that Pink Floyd would continue to exist. He later told The Sunday Times: "Roger is a dog in the manger and I'm going to fight him".

In 2013, Waters stated that he regretted the lawsuit, saying: "I was wrong. Of course I was."

So in order for Roger to stop the Pink Floyd group name to be used by being used by the other three, he had to leave. Or so he alledgely thought. Because then they would breach contract and suspend payments. Even for him. So he thought that Pink Floyd couldn't do any more albums if he wasn't involved. The others thought differently. So they sacked him, without fearing for continuing without him. And so they did.

Verdict: It had absolutely nothing to do with "Roger not wanting to play with Dave". It's just big corporate business, lawyers, managers, lawsuits and absolutely nothing else. Little to do with music, musicians skills at all. Music Industry, but music removed. Totally.

 

[Ric5]

David Gilmour makes any band better



And boy does Roger look stupid with an eye patch

 

[tbz]

All this about "Roger not wanting to play with Dave" :

The Final Cut (album) - Wikipedia

"Following the release of The Final Cut, Waters publicly insisted that Pink Floyd would not reunite. He contacted O'Rourke to discuss settling future royalty payments. O'Rourke felt obliged to inform Mason and Gilmour, which angered Waters, who wanted to dismiss him as the band's manager. He terminated his management contract with O'Rourke and employed Peter Rudge to manage his affairs. Waters wrote to EMI and Columbia announcing he had left the band, and asked them to release him from his contractual obligations. Gilmour believed that Waters left to hasten the demise of Pink Floyd.

Waters later stated that, by not making new albums, Pink Floyd would be in breach of contract—which would suggest that royalty payments would be suspended—and that the other band members had forced him from the group by threatening to sue him. He then went to the High Court in an effort to dissolve the band and prevent the use of the Pink Floyd name, declaring Pink Floyd "a spent force creatively".When his lawyers discovered that the partnership had never been formally confirmed, Waters returned to the High Court in an attempt to obtain a veto over further use of the band's name. Gilmour responded by issuing a carefully worded press release affirming that Pink Floyd would continue to exist. He later told The Sunday Times: "Roger is a dog in the manger and I'm going to fight him".

In 2013, Waters stated that he regretted the lawsuit, saying: "I was wrong. Of course I was."

So in order for Roger to stop the Pink Floyd group name to be used by being used by the other three, he had to leave. Or so he alledgely thought. Because then they would breach contract and suspend payments. Even for him. So he thought that Pink Floyd couldn't do any more albums if he wasn't involved. The others thought differently. So they sacked him, without fearing for continuing without him. And so they did.

Verdict: It had absolutely nothing to do with "Roger not wanting to play with Dave". It's just big corporate business, lawyers, managers, lawsuits and absolutely nothing else. Little to do with music, musicians skills at all. Music Industry, but music removed. Totally.

I've read about the breakup extensively. It was rather complicated and the Wikipedia discussion lack the factual depth needed to understand the situation.

Waters, from what I understand, was simply done working with Gilmore. He wanted complete control.

Waters also, as the primary song writer, felt that Floyd, as a unit, was not viable without him at the helm.

As history has proven, that was laughably incorrect; all it took to overcome his absence, in terms of revenue generation, and popularity, was to paint Roger as a villain that left in a disruptive manner. Which wasn't wholly incorrect.

Fans accepted that view, and the band was able to keep going.

That being said, if you look into the difficulties they had making music after Roger left, you see hints that his absence had a dramatic impact. I'm trying to remember the actual numbers, but the remaining members of Floyd spent an ungodly amount of time and money on the post Roger albums. Something like 3-5 times the amount of money they'd spend if Roger was still there.

The results aren't correlative with the expenditure. Division Bell did well, but it wasn't another Wall, or Dark Side. Or even Animals.

 

[Ric5]

And now for something completely different ... an Asian Pink Floyd tribute band

 

[InhumanResource]

It is common knowledge that, in the studio, it is actually David Gilmour that composed and performed the basslines that ended up on the recordings. So, if you like Pink Floyd's basslines, you actually have an appreciation for David Gilmour's talent not Roger Waters.

I don't believe that is true nor common knowledge. As far as I can tell, Roger played most of the bass tracks and Dave did a few of the fretless ones plus the cook one from Pigs.

 

[Gully Foyle]

I've read about the breakup extensively. It was rather complicated and the Wikipedia discussion lack the factual depth needed to understand the situation.

Waters, from what I understand, was simply done working with Gilmore. He wanted complete control.

Waters also, as the primary song writer, felt that Floyd, as a unit, was not viable without him at the helm.

As history has proven, that was laughably incorrect; all it took to overcome his absence, in terms of revenue generation, and popularity, was to paint Roger as a villain that left in a disruptive manner. Which wasn't wholly incorrect.

Fans accepted that view, and the band was able to keep going.

That being said, if you look into the difficulties they had making music after Roger left, you see hints that his absence had a dramatic impact. I'm trying to remember the actual numbers, but the remaining members of Floyd spent an ungodly amount of time and money on the post Roger albums. Something like 3-5 times the amount of money they'd spend if Roger was still there.

The results aren't correlative with the expenditure. Division Bell did well, but it wasn't another Wall, or Dark Side. Or even Animals.

They could print money without him, but not write. Sums it up well.

The post roger albums are like Ringo solo albums, in my book.

But it's just my preference, they are all so much more talented than I, I cannot judge further.

 

[Ric5]

It is like why would Glen Fry and Don Henley want to stop working with Joe Walsh?

 

[Altitude]

I think you misunderstand.

They can play the stuff he plays, and can play a ton of stuff he can't.

Big difference between that and copying someone.

Especially someone like Gilmore, whose playing wasn't really novel, innovative or groundbreaking.

Just read some tabs or learn his parts. I honestly can't think of any that are past Guitar 201 stuff.

If you can find one, please share.

No, I got it. I guess my point was that playing like David Gilmour is one thing, but being David Gilmour and creating those musical ideas out of only your own thoughts is another thing.