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SBL - Fretboard Accelerator any good?

Joe Hubbard’s note finder technique is another free option.

Please don’t waste all that money on that SBL stuff.

Do you feel like it’s a waste? Their content seems to be good on YouTube, but I also realize music principles are not secrets they invented or have a monopoly on.

And I’m a little suspicious because anytime they are mentioned online it seems numerous boosters appear with full throated endorsements, so I wonder if the consensus we see online might be viral marketing.

I don’t mind subscriptions if the value for my playing is there but SBL seems polarizing
 
But the Joe Hubbard link has no relevance to the material covered in the SBL accelerator course.

Well, this thread is specifically about the "Fretboard Accelerator" course.

One of the primary goals of that course is to learn the notes on your fingerboard:

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This is exactly the topic of the Joe Hubbard video. So seems pretty relevant.

Although, I'd recommend most of Joe Hubbard's free stuff on YouTube as well as the paid courses on his site.

They are very different from Scott's stuff, although he has good material as well, but if I were paying money, it would be for Joe's stuff. To each their own.
 
Do you feel like it’s a waste? Their content seems to be good on YouTube, but I also realize music principles are not secrets they invented or have a monopoly on.

And I’m a little suspicious because anytime they are mentioned online it seems numerous boosters appear with full throated endorsements, so I wonder if the consensus we see online might be viral marketing.

I don’t mind subscriptions if the value for my playing is there but SBL seems polarizing

What turns me off most about Scott's Bass Lessons is the "super secret ninja trick" type of cheesy language and the aggressive marketing. Along with the fact that, once you sign up to his program, you can't cancel easily. Almost every legit web service allows you the ability to cancel your subscription on their site. You have to send an email to SBL requesting to cancel and hope they get back with you. Although if you're just purchasing a course with a one-time fee, it might not matter as much to you.

My advice is:

  • Learn every single note on your fretboard - yes, on every single string, and every single fret,
  • Learn all of the Key signatures - you can start with the main ones: C, G, E, F, Bb, Eb, etc... but learn the rest too
  • Learn how chords are constructed... again, you can start with the main ones: ii - V - I progressions... work through Major chords, Minor chords, 7th chords, Diminished chords, etc... memorize how they sound, and how they are constructed
If you can solidly do those 3 things... all of the patterns that you try to memorize begin to reveal themselves to you on the fretboard.

You end up thinking about notes and chords instead of patterns. And you can go very very far with these basics. And you can find free, expert-level youtube videos on all of these subjects.

But... if you feel that spending the money for SBL will really help you, who knows, you might gain something from it. But at the end of the day, you have to put in the hard work of the 3 things I listed above anyway, so if I were you, I'd just go ahead and start there.
 
Perhaps this wasn't always the case but you can absolutely cancel your membership through the website, and I've actually had to email in a number of times and always had a response within hours (except for the time I went business fishing...)

Scott has become pretty insufferable for me and as I mentioned it's essentially his off-site "presence" that will lead me to cancel my membership. Kind of a bummer.

But just to reiterate/elaborate on my experience: I'm a year and a half in of semi-regular SBL use and there are some absolute gems on there. I found the player's path to be really helpful for me getting my bearings after an almost 10 year hiatus, there are some excellent courses, there are interviews with heavies with little golden nuggets of info to be gleaned (on a sidenote, Scott is a terrible interviewer - perpetually interrupting/cutting off guests). The "seminars" are pretty sweet, I like being able to "hang" with Gary Willis every couple of weeks - there's always something to learn there, and beyond the explicit education, or if it's over my head or I'm just not in the zone for it, it can be really neat/enjoyable to just listen to someone like Michael League or John Patitucci talk shop for an hour - beats most TV. To put it in perspective a yearly membership is 147$ which is like, $3/week and in that regard it's almost a no-brainer. I'd even say the lifetime membership at $997 is probably a good deal. There's A LOT of good :poop: on the site, unfortunately the tradeoff seems to be Scott's :poop: persona and selling antics, but I guess nothing is perfect and we can't have nice things. I wonder how much business his persona and antics and hypespeak actually pulls in... I haven't really read anybody praising it yet, could he chill out and achieve the same?
 
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The thread is going off at a slight tangent here from the original posters question but as a final post from me:
  • You can cancel SBL subscriptions on the website. The urban myth that you have to contact them is perhaps re-iterated by people who don't have a subscription to cancel (see attached screenshot with a big red cancel button on your profile page).

  • With regard to the Joe Hubbard video - it really isn't in any way comparable to the FBA. Yes, the FBA does help you learn the notes but it does this by running through multiple finger patterns across all the inversions of major, minor, augmented and dimished triads and pulling them together to help you move more fluidly around the fretboard. I didn't learn the notes of the fretboard with the FBA. It is was a by product of running exercises around the fretboard so that I could move intuitively without actually thinking what each and every note actually was. It worked for me and has helped me with walking bass lines and general improvisation ... everyone's mileage may vary and it certainly isn't a course everyone would gain something from.

  • I agree with the rest of your @phillipkregg post with the caveat that going out and finding all the details from across various websites and putting them together in a structured way takes time. Each of us needs to balance up the time to do this (and whether we have the experience to do it well) against the cost of a course where hopefully someone has done all the donkey work for us. While working I had limited time to play bass and practice so I'd prefer to pay for the course and spend the time playing bass rather than trawl random internet sites and watch videos which may or may not be useful. That has changed to some extent now that I'm retired. Again ... everyone's mileage may vary. They thing you state is "But at the end of the day, you have to put in the hard work". That 100%.
@sargebaker - agree with you 100%. Good Luck with the accelerator ... perhaps post back your findings so that others can get another perspective on it.

Adious!
 

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Alright, checking in as we head into "module 3".
I'm already behind a week because I didn't have time to practice this stuff much last week (I'm also taking DB lessons in person).

Content wise, there is still some fat that needs trimming. For example, in an 8min video, sometimes I'm scrubbing 3-4 minutes of Scott saying "remember not to rush this, go at your own speed/if you keep up with this you will unlock the fretboard/sometimes I do this with my pinky but sometimes I do that/bla bla bla" maybe some people actually need to be reminded though? My other criticism is I wish instead of just backing tracks we could get videos for the exercises.

The material is dry AF but nevertheless I find it challenging and kind of frustrating. It's definitely shining a light on how much I suck. So far it seems the first 3 weeks are essentially the material from one of Phil Mann's classes on the website but expanded slightly different and broken down into smaller bits. I've committed the circle of 4ths/5ths to memory now (which i didn't know pre-course) and I already feel like if you were to ask me to play all the B#s on the fretboard, I wouldn't have to think about it as long as I previously had to. I guess for me, money is a motivator and having spent it on this course, it's pushing me to chug along with this painful, brain numbing content (but content that I know I need to know and will make me better). I don't foresee asking for a refund - but I'm still probably going to pause/cancel my SBL membership next year.
 
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Alright, checking in as we head into "module 3".
I'm already behind a week because I didn't have time to practice this stuff much last week (I'm also taking DB lessons in person).

Content wise, there is still some fat that needs trimming. For example, in an 8min video, sometimes I'm scrubbing 3-4 minutes of Scott saying "remember not to rush this, go at your own speed/if you keep up with this you will unlock the fretboard/sometimes I do this with my pinky but sometimes I do that/bla bla bla" maybe some people actually need to be reminded though? My other criticism is I wish instead of just backing tracks we could get videos for the exercises.

The material is dry AF but nevertheless I find it challenging and kind of frustrating. It's definitely shining a light on how much I suck. So far it seems the first 3 weeks are essentially the material from one of Phil Mann's classes on the website but expanded slightly different and broken down into smaller bits. I've committed the circle of 4ths/5ths to memory now (which i didn't know pre-course) and I already feel like if you were to ask me to play all the B#s on the fretboard, I wouldn't have to think about it as long as I previously had to. I guess for me, money is a motivator and having spent it on this course, it's pushing me to chug along with this painful, brain numbing content (but content that I know I need to know and will make me better). I don't foresee asking for a refund - but I'm still probably going to pause/cancel my SBL membership next year.

Agree with your points...

I'm about to transition to week 2 myself and find the videos could definitely be shortened. Early days but pretty straightforward so far as expected. Will see how the next few weeks pan out.
 
The material is dry AF

Yep ... I seem to remember saying ..

The downside ... is that the course is reptitive drills; exercise after exercise after exercise. .... it isn't the most exciting of courses and there are very few moments of awe and wonder.

Module 4 was for me where the course really kicked in for me. You go around the circle of fifths and for each note in the circle of fifths;
  1. Play every note in the triad from the lowest note in the triad to the highest note in the triad in the first 5 frets.
  2. Play every note in the triad from the hightest note in the triad to the lowest note in the triad in the first 5 frets.
  3. Then repeat for frets 5 to 9
  4. Then repeat for frets 9 to 12
Then future modules are in the same format as modules 1 to 4 but for minor, augmented and diminished triads and then you put it all together with a set of chord progressions.

I already feel like if you were to ask me to play all the B#s on the fretboard, I wouldn't have to think about it as long as I previously had to.

What I found as I went through the course is that the ability to pick out a particular note on the fretboard is relatively unimportant. For me it pulled together a lot of my theory knowledge into really useful practical exercises that allowed me to play and move more smoothly across the fretboard (apologies if that sounds like SBL marketing ******** - I'm not on commission!).

It depends where you are on your bass journey and what you are looking to improve as to how much you'll get out of the course and whether there is value in it. It happened to come around at the right time for me and the structure made me more disciplined than I was on the SBL subscriber courses where I tended to drift from course to course.
 
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Well, as this thread came up before I sign up and now I had signed up, I want to leave my impression here.

Background, I know music theory from composing with the MIDI keyboard. I can't "play" keyboard as I need massive time to find notes and chords, therefore I did fine when composing game music for job since it waits for me to figure out as long as I have to think.

Then I picked up the bass and enrolled in 2 different courses last year :
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After doing those courses, I still don't "truly" know my fretboard. I still have to "figure out" from scratch from open string note, then count up or vaguely remember the dots on the fret, and then use nifty shortcut such as octave, +5 semi, +7 semi, etc. to find notes relative to the key. It is very similar to when I am composing music on keyboard. 5+ years of composing, still can't play in real time, since I always stick to figuring out from scratch slowly.

And there are some nifty trick like the first 3 dots would spell out alphabets G A B / C D E, and so on. Why these alphabets are appealing to remember as a shortcut? Just because they lands on the dots and they have no flat/sharp sign. The trick even stops working further than these lucky dots on the fret. This is an example of seemingly silly root cause that snowball into not knowing an entire board in long term.

The thing is, I have been avoiding "hard remembering" anything like plague for no reason. I don't know the circle of 5th (I know what it is, but I am not remembering it as it feels like a pain) Somehow I view the note with flats not equal to others without flat, among other weird unreasonable thing, like viewing the keyboard's black keys as less important, and now I sucks at playing something in other keys. String instrument is even linearized that, yet I fell back to the same trap.

There are something that worth ranking up from theory you can figured out from scratch, to hard remembering it instead, like when I was forced to remember 1x1 to 12x12 back in elementary school. That was a pain, but in the end that serves me well and worth the effort. In music, knowing 12 notes by viewing all the flat/sharp notes equally, and remember the circle of 5th, is this thing that worth remembering, yet I always postpone remembering them and always falling back to figuring out from scratch. (Equivalent to not knowing what 7x4 is, then you do 7+7+7+7 instead, etc.) Something has to force me to remember this, and FBA course is the only one that managed to do it for me.

In regarding to this FBA course, I know from its heavy marketing/upselling that it would backfire by causing experienced musicians to say things such as there is no secret sauce, and you can learn anywhere, etc. , and it is evident in this thread that the general mood leans that way. The same reaction as a lot of coffee drinker that would be compelled to say Starbucks sucks as they are the giant and doing things extravagantly. Though in reality, they definitely did something right that set them apart.

After experiencing it, I now know price you pay 95% for the way he say + and the learning sequence + really make sure what should be in your head and you are not botting out or playing while thinking with your spine. These 3 forcing your brain to absorb in higher rate in less time. That is not to be underestimated.

The other 5% is for convenience of not having to piece up information from the internet, for a bit of urgency that the lesson is gradually releasing so you don't procastinate, for great video and audio quality with clear editing, and the viewing platform. Those are very very small part of the cost. There is absolutely no secret sauce and it is all drills, as expected with learning music. There is no trick that instantly enables you to be able to do things, despite how many times Scott may says cheesy words like "the system" (he didn't say "my system" but it is still cheesy), that is all established music theory. What's really valuable and worth the price is the design of lesson/drills, not the actual musical knowledge. And strangely, these more important value of the course, he didn't hype it up as much.

You should visualize each note on the fret as having its own EXP gauge (or LV., etc.). Before, my fretboard "lights up" only on a certain hotspot and it was not spreading any further when I practice chord inversions and scales in those lessons. How so? In hindsight, it looks like a massive waste of time that all my practice (rather "mess around" with various scales or extended scales) didn't register long-term per-note. I just know if I do this, I get pentatonic scale or extended major scale that goes 2 octaves. But what fretboard experience did I gain? Just 1 C note on that second string where I start my scale on. I only have that in my head about the note, and the rest is the pattern that makes the scale. This practice is extremely unbalanced as the pattern is long and I gain EXP for just 1 note. If the learning experience is designed better, it should give EXP to each note of the fretboard more. There is a simple upgrade that if I think about the octave higher note that I ended my scale on, I would learn 2 notes in this practice instead of 1. But I didn't. There are many reasons why I didn't (stupid or not) when I really should have those in my head to get the fretboard mastery. I spaced out sometimes mid-pattern, sometimes mid-session. Maybe only first few minutes of practice was effective, the rest was more fun + dexterity training.

What goes in a design? Similar to working out, there are reps and sets, and each one get you more or less muscle depending on various factors. Therefore well designed plan from trainers are needed so you get more. Drilling music is similar, but since it involves a lot more brain than working out, it depends on what is in your head to cement the knowledge. Not many people keeps yelling to you what to think while drilling, just telling what to drill or how to handle the instrument / how to perform the movement correctly, or how long to keep doing it before moving on.

He immediately shove the most bitter pill to me which is forcing me to practice going in circle of 5th rather than chromatically or arbitrarily. Then he have me practice 3 inversions of major triad which I had spend hours before on Udemy and Skillshare lessons.

But what's different is that I was forced to drill the right way. The b flat and and d flat fret near the c fret I played thousand times started to light up bit by bit, somehow? This is all thanks to he forcing the drill to go in circle of 5th, and he keep repeating what to think and not think while doing it (think about root and shape, but not each note). This course is actually all about this kind of effective drill that lights up the entire fretboard so there is no (or less) hotspot. This is easier said than done as all other lessons I had enrolled seems to not account for this at all, and it is inefficient. "Accelerator" is very literally true, the design is intentionally leaning towards per-note knowledge, and inevitably away from other things like long patterns and dexterity. With long patterns, of course you get to go round the circle of 5th less times in the same amount of time, thus less EXP gain for the fretboard.

I hope this give some idea what this course is really about, it is kind of messy writing, but I was surprised when I realized what he really is aiming for in this course. (I am a game designer, and I am quite prone to "disassembling/debugging" the media other puts out) It is "just" carefully ordered drills and carefully curated sentences that he constantly says to make sure you have the right thing in the head while your hand moves. All other lessons I had less than optimal thing in the head so I gained only dexterity but not so much thinking speed. And yes, his business man talk is quite annoying especially the upsale video that shoved right after I enrolled so I pay more.

Besides that, I think it is a very interesting way to spend money and have the course fix/patch up dark spots you weren't realized before in your random practice / random courses. There is no new information to gain especially if you know basic music theory, just clever practice. I was lucky that all my holes were filled very quickly even from the first module, an exact repeat of lessons I enrolled before but with different thinking and approach. And even luckier that I already know some music theory and Scott did not put much emphasis in that, saving my time. Yours may not be as lucky as me, etc.
 
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I took the Accelerator program the 2nd time (I think), it is not bad, but it ia not great either. It focuses mostly on triads (Maj/Min/Aug/Dim), and how to navigate the fretboard (split in 3 positions) using the triads through the cycle of 4ths (or 5ths, depending on what side of the road you drive :), using different shapes for the 3 positions of each triad (root position, 1st and 2nd inversions).

If you cant find much other tham the root on the fretboard, it is a nice course to take. If you can play the triads and their inversions along the fretboard, then not so much.

Here are my cons about the course:

- Only triads, no 7th chords.
- the book is offered for an extra price. Just get the pdf and print it if you want and put a spiral on it. Will cost you less and it is more or less what you'll receive. And the book could be reduced in size.

- I particularly jate the very aggressive marketing on SBL, yes, they have very good tutors, etc. But I simply hate the "silver magic bullet hack" ********. I just believe there is no free lunch, the shortest shortcut is guidance on what and how to practice, period

- The last, and worst part of most of SBL's accelerator programs is the time on each video lesson. It is just excessively long, boring and most of the video lessons could be cut in half if not more. Scott just waste too much time on things totally irrelevant like "take your time, play without metronome first, etc", and other times just extremely repetitive. And here and there he does actually mention something useful, so, you kind of need to watch the whole videos anyway. Some videos are almost an hour long, or at least half an hour, and if you have like 1 hour to practice per day, you certainly want to practice, and not watch videos.
The unfortunate view I have from the fretboard accelerator course, is that I was charged by the video length, so, they made sure to make it long, but unfortunately, most part of the videos are just fat.

And as an ADHD person, the length of those videos and boredom make them virtually impossible for me to watch.

P.S. this is not a review of Scott, but the Fretboard Accelerator course only. I have had a chance to talk to Scott directly a long time ago, and he is a lovely person, but IMHO, his approach on these courses need to change.
 
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Just an update for everyone interested, as the course is starting to wind down, going into week 17/21

I haven't progressed past week 4. But I bought Janek's "Ten Minute Manual" and I'm very happy with the purchase - loving the book's content! :laugh:

EDIT: I do plan to go back to the course eventually, but right now the material really wasn't working with my practice schedule/mindset. I appreciate the difference from exercise to exercise in Janek's book and I appreciate the musicality of it all.
 
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Last post is from last month, not a zombie yet. And also the course isn't being offered now so this advice is not actionable. However, I took the course and thought it was worth every penny. Yes, it is focusing on triads, and yes, all that info is available on the internet. But this course is very well structured. It sends you through the boring routines that you probably would not have done on your own (I certainly wouldn't have). But following those routines, boring as they are, work. That is how you get good in anything, not just bass. It takes a lot of time working on the fundamentals. The course was well structured to force you to go through the routines to really learn the fretboard. The advertising to get you to sign up may be over the top. But if you do the work, the course does what it advertises.

Essentially, the goal is that you could just place your hand at any part of the neck, and have someone say play a <fill in chord name here, say A flat diminished> arpeggio going from the E string to the G string from where your hand is (i.e. not necessarily starting from the root), and you can do it reflexively, or at least with a minimum of thinking. If you are improvising bass lines over complicated chord changes, this is an important skill. It's a lot of work, though, but the course does what it says.
 
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Why can you not sign up whenever, if the course is just additional videos you are granted access to? To create an artificial sense of scarcity?

I’m still skeptical of all things SBL due to the gonzo marketing, wild claims, and the seeming sock puppet accounts that reply to everything related to them on social media
 
Why can you not sign up whenever, if the course is just additional videos you are granted access to? To create an artificial sense of scarcity?

I’m still skeptical of all things SBL due to the gonzo marketing, wild claims, and the seeming sock puppet accounts that reply to everything related to them on social media
Yes to the artificial scarcity. Scott is a business man, not doubt about it. They actually are offering now an second annual fee (these accelerators were always separate from the "academy" annual fee) for access to all the "accelerator" courses on an on-demand basis. So that is $147/yr (after member discount) for all the "accelerator" courses. However, as I mentioned above, they are a lot of work, so you really can't do more than one a year anyway, assuming you have a day job and play in a band or two or three as well and have to practice and rehearse for those as well.
 
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