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Schecter Diamond P Custom 4 Review

Well, I bought this bass from a fellow TB'er at a very good price. I was in the market for a P of some type based on the versatility and, what some would call, a "generic fits-all" sound.

Thanks, "Troy McClure" for a great deal on a bass that was, for all intents and purposes, NEW.

Now, bear in mind, the instruments I have played are limited. I currently own (and beat on, daily) a Schecter Raiden 4 string, but have spent a lot of time with a Peavey Zodiac 4 string, a Squier P bass, a Carvin 4 string bolt-on J bass (active), and a Warwick Thumb 4 string. The only one I own is the Raiden. I've tested out various units from Ibanez, EBMM, Epiphone, and many manufacturers, and I have to warn you that I am somewhat biased toward Schecters as they always seem to appeal to me compared to others.

Appearance and finish;

When I sit this bass next to the Squier P, they're almost identical in size, shape, design, and overall looks. Basically, it seems that Schecter decided to make their own version of a P bass and add a humbucking pickup at the bridge. The bodies are almost identical, right down to the curves, cuts, neck...basically everything. As far as the finish, I can't find any blemishes or problems with anything. The style is classic, clean, and very easy on the eyes. This bass comes in two colors; white or blue with a black pickguard. I liked the white from the first time I saw it, and "in person", this bass does not disappoint. No flame top, no neat color schemes, no cosmetic frills, just solid looks, finish, and construction. If you like clean, classic, and basic....this one has it. Typical "Fender style" headstock with elephant ear tuners (chrome). For those who like the P bass style, looks, and dimensions....this one has it going on....

Neck;

Rosewood fretboard, 21 frets, very traditional and nothing weird. Not nearly as chunky or thick as a Fender. If you want that "baseball bat" neck, this isn't the one. It is thicker and heavier than most Ibanez basses I've tried out, but I would not call this one a thick neck. I would say it's somewhere in between an Ibanez and Fender neck. Seems more the thickness and heft of a VM Squier J neck. Again, these are impressions and I don't have numbers or measurements to post up here.

Depending on what you want, you might like this neck, or you might not. The back of the neck is not smooth or very well finished. As you run the palm of your hand along it, you find rough areas, smooth areas, and inconsistencies. It's not overly well sanded or smoothed out, I think Schecter chose to try to make it smoother with the finish rather than the prep. Personally, I like it. But if you want that "buttery smooth" feel with nothing to let you know you've moved somewhere up or down, this doesn't have it. In comparing it to an Epi Allen Woody Rumblekat, the Epi is far more finished, smoother, and easy to move up and down and not notice wood grain, rough areas, or dry feeling spots. Again, I like the character, but some may not.

Weight;

As with many units, this one is not particularly light. I don't have a scale, but I picked it up and it is HEFTY. Feels like it weighs slightly more than a Squier P. Definitely heavier than my Raiden, but close. In comparison, the Warwick Thumb I almost bought is "feather light" compared to the Schecter. If weight is a concern, this might not be your bass. In comparing it to a Peavey Zodiac, I would also say it's heavier feeling. Personally, I don't mind the weight, but if you like lighter basses, this is not the one....it just feels heavy. As far as neck dive, I haven't noticed that it dives any worse than any Fender or Squier I've tried, seems a lot like a Squier VM Jaguar as far as weight and neck dive. I don't consider that a lot, but opinions vary.

Hardware;

Good. Grover vintage style tuners, a bridge that looks like an atomic bomb won't scratch it, good quality screws and assembly, I can't find anything here that makes me wonder. Every screw, adjustable part, and every piece of hardware seems solid and smooth. Good job on this one.....especially at the price....

Electronics;

Well, this bass comes with Schecter's version of the venerable "P bass" pickups as well as a coil-tapped humbucker at the bridge. The placement of the P style pickups doesn't seem to be exactly where you'd expect P's to be. They're a little further toward the bridge than the Fenders I've tried out and almost bought, or the Squier P that I own. The bridge humbucker is one of their "SuperRock" pickups with a coil tap. Are they good? Absolutely. For passive OEM pickups they are really, really HOT. Basically, breathe in the direction of them and they put out sound. You need a light touch with these because they are very, very, sensitive. I like it, I tend to play with a light touch, but i found that they are almost too much when I get aggressive. How do they sound? Well, if you are looking to duplicate the tone and thump of a traditional P bass.....they just don't do it. I tried burying the bridge pickup and running just the P's....and it's certainly NOT the same tone as a Fender P. Or a Squier P. It doesn't have the same "dead thump" as I would call it. There is a lot more sustain and a very different tone. As far as the controls, the volume pots work very, very well and adjust as you'd expect them to. The tone control is something different. Just like my Raiden, the tone pot is not overly good. You're basically full tone or completely dumped, really a very little "in between". Schecter tone pots in these basses are terrible, really. I assume that they use the same potentiometers in the Diamond P as they used in my Raiden. Even the knobs were the same. But there is no scratchiness or noise when they are adjusted. If you're a "full-on tone" player, or a "buried tone" player, you won't mind.....much....But a tone pot upgrade might be on your list of things to do if you can't deal with what they give you.

Factory setup;

Actually, could have been worse. This bass came to me the way it was "out of the box". The PO did not do a setup once he played it. As expected, intonation was off (but not terrible). The neck relief was amazingly close.....I just had to tweak it a little.....not much. Many players would be totally okay with it. The action was low, but not in a bad way. Not quite as low as I would like it, but honestly it was low compared to a lot of factory setups from other manufacturers. For a relatively inexpensive bass.....they setup is essentially playable right out of the box. At least it was on mine......

Strings;

I hate them. I think they are probably D'Addario roundwound 105's. But I won't go there; every player likes something different. Let's just say that I have a set of D'Addario ETB92 tapewounds that I put on......I won't review those because this is supposed to be my impressions of this bass as Schecter put it together....

Overall;

I give this a "thumbs up". I have been playing this all night and I don't regret my purchase. Decent quality, good construction, good hardware, easy to play. Is it the best bass you could buy? No way. Is it worth a look? Yup. For what you spend, you get an awful lot for your money with a Schecter Diamond P. Just plan on few things; time for a good setup, trash the factory strings and put on what you like, and realize the tone pot is absolute garbage. Other than that, it's a whole lot of fun on a budget......

EDIT; before I get a "BS", the picture was taken before I put the ETB's on. I changed out the volume knobs for speedknobs within 10 minutes of opening the box.

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Good review, and congrats on the new Bass!

Thanks....

I'm now having "bass guilt". I've leaned heavily on my Raiden for over a year, it does my daily work and all my band practices, and it's never let me down. I always thought it would be my favorite, but really the more I play the Diamond P the more I like it. I brought the Diamond P to a friend's house tonight so he could check it out.....he's an amazing musician, college graduate for music performance, and a current Berkley student working on his graduate degree. He plays Carvin basses. He's also my bass teacher and a mentor. He played the Diamond P and was very, very impressed with this instrument.

He's typically a gear and guitar snob, but his comment was "This thing is gig-worthy. I am amazed at the hardware, construction, and overall quality of this. The sound is very, very good, this one has pretty much everything you could want if you're playing out and you have a budget". He commented that he felt it surpassed many other P's in the price range, and, honestly, I had to basically ask for it back, as he just kept noodling around and testing all the tones you could get. He did help me adjust and balance the pickups (height) and I came home with a bass that played even better than it did before. He also noticed my intonation adjustments were slightly sharp, and he fixed it up....he has tuning equipment that is far more sensitive than mine, on my stuff it dialed in great, but his is very sensitive.....

I said I wouldn't review it...but, honestly, I'm in love with the performance of this bass with the D'Addario ETB92's. Slightly woody, and very mellow with just enough brightness to make you smile...

And yes, you can still get a great slap tone with this bass and the nylon coated tapewounds, for those of you that swing that way.....

As I have more time with this bass, I will post up any new information or impressions I have. But so far, so good. Unfortunately, my loyal Raiden found it's way into a hard case tonight......I have to remind myself that new loves often fade quickly....:smug:
 
Thanks....

I'm now having "bass guilt". I've leaned heavily on my Raiden for over a year, it does my daily work and all my band practices, and it's never let me down. I always thought it would be my favorite, but really the more I play the Diamond P the more I like it. I brought the Diamond P to a friend's house tonight so he could check it out.....he's an amazing musician, college graduate for music performance, and a current Berkley student working on his graduate degree. He plays Carvin basses. He's also my bass teacher and a mentor. He played the Diamond P and was very, very impressed with this instrument.

He's typically a gear and guitar snob, but his comment was "This thing is gig-worthy. I am amazed at the hardware, construction, and overall quality of this. The sound is very, very good, this one has pretty much everything you could want if you're playing out and you have a budget". He commented that he felt it surpassed many other P's in the price range, and, honestly, I had to basically ask for it back, as he just kept noodling around and testing all the tones you could get. He did help me adjust and balance the pickups (height) and I came home with a bass that played even better than it did before. He also noticed my intonation adjustments were slightly sharp, and he fixed it up....he has tuning equipment that is far more sensitive than mine, on my stuff it dialed in great, but his is very sensitive.....

I said I wouldn't review it...but, honestly, I'm in love with the performance of this bass with the D'Addario ETB92's. Slightly woody, and very mellow with just enough brightness to make you smile...

And yes, you can still get a great slap tone with this bass and the nylon coated tapewounds, for those of you that swing that way.....

As I have more time with this bass, I will post up any new information or impressions I have. But so far, so good. Unfortunately, my loyal Raiden found it's way into a hard case tonight......I have to remind myself that new loves often fade quickly....:smug:

Hey Man. I wouldn't feel bad at all, as this type of thing happens. Basses will come and go, because chances are throughout Your playing career You're gonna pickup another one or ten that feel "just right". I mean, it's kind of like food. How do You know You don't like it, if You've never tasted it.

Keep rock'n and anjoy!
 
Great review and pretty spot on compared with my own opinion of this underrated bass. I've had one for over a year now, and it still gets heavy bouts of playing time to go along with my Hofner, Geddy Lee Jazz, and old Fender P. Speaking of heavy, the Diamond P certainly is, but I don't gig, just record, so the weight doesn't really bother me. It is something to consider though if you are a gigger with back problems, or are on the smaller side.

You are definitely on about the tone as well. Don't expect traditional P-bass sounds out of the Diamond and you won't be disappointed. I was a little bit at first, but the tone I get with both pickups on full is a punchy, growly, one that is great for nearly all styles of music. Slap, Finger, and pick. I really don't dig the neck or bridge pickup solo'd. The neck sounds kind of lifeless and flat to me by itself, and the bridge solo'd sounds too honky and thin, but again, with both pickups on I really like the tone. Just my experience though, I'm using DR fat beams on the Diamond for what its worth. My main preamp is a Sansamp RBI.

I had to adjust the pickup height as well, because they are very hot, and when playing with a pick, my sound would distort in an ugly way, no matter what level I set my preamp at. other than that, you are getting a lot of bass for your buck. String through bridge, classic looks, and a modern punchy tone.
 
I just bought the 5-string version of that bass (same color as yours even) and I agree with pretty much your whole review -- at least Schecter is consistent. :p One note about the tuners though, mine were the worst tuners I've ever used. I can just feel the roughness in the tuners when I turn them, and aside from making them feel really cheap, this makes them a little inconsistent in tuning. My Squier has smoother and more consistent tuners ffs.

The pickups both kinda suck when they are solo'd, but with both on full blast it has a really nice and punchy tone.

I know this is a long shot, but does anybody know if the Fender P5 pickup will fit this bass if flipped upside down?
 
I had the identical bass. I so badly wanted to love it, but the weight and the odd thin/wide neck with a flat radius made it impossible for me to naturally play it.

Super hot passive pickups, tons of sounds and solid hardware.
 
I am reinstalling the original pickups in a Diamond P5 and I'm having some trouble figuring out the wiring for the push pull tone pot and the bridge doublejazz. Can anyone describe what the see on their stock wiring set up or possibly post a photo or drawing?
 
Good stuff.

Too many people sleep on Schecter instruments, yet they put out some good stuff. I feel like their lineup has something for most any bassist.

Their OEM pickups for the Apocalypse basses seem really good too.

It's still not lost on me that many in the TB community are "meh" on Schecter Stiletto Studio basses, yet during my decades in gigging/touring bands, I've seen several of those in the wild. Working bassists (who probably spend more time PlayBass than TalkBass) seemed to love those things.