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Double Bass SCHERTLER DYN-B TRANSDUCER

#21
Originally posted by poalf

And for Monte, do you consider the Clarus amp to have "enough clean power? for the Dyn-B" Where do you locate the Dyn-B on your bass
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I actually have the Contra, and it does pretty well. I like the Pub better so far, but I've had it less than a week.

I move the Dyn-B a lot. Right now it is above the bridge, almost right between the tops of the f-holes. I like it there for pizz, but it doesn't have enough volume arco, so I'll probably move it back closer to the bridge.

Monte
 
#22
As you may have seen from another thread, i took the plunge and bought the Dyn-B this weekend. Everything seems to work great. It's running through an in line lo-hi z transfomer into a Fishman Platinum EQ then into the effects return on a Claurus into a Raezers Edge Bass 10. It will feedback much quicker than the Realist, but it's manageable and sounds great. (For the money, I'd still strongly recommend the Realist.) I did get a lot of hum from the transformer at first but I figured out that if I move the transformer away from my amp, it goes away.

What I've come to believe is that we're all after this holy grail of pure acoustic tone, but in most live situations (horns, amplified instruments, noisy bars) that may not be the best sound. In my living room, the Dyn-B sounded great; in a live situation, I had to move the pickup to get a more focused sound that was not as pure but more useable.

The "sound of my bass only louder" in my living room turns into a lot of low end noise in a crowded bar with a four piece band. By moving the pickup of the Dyn-B, I believe I can pretty well adjust the sound for the situation.

I've spent enough money:I think I my search is over.
 
#23
Originally posted by poalf

I've spent enough money:I think I my search is over.
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Sure,

That's what we all say....;)

On that subject, I know it is a lot of bread, but the difference of the Schertler Dyn-B with their Pre-A II is night and day difference in clarity. The little resonance filter seems to cut the rumble that the Dyn-B can have by a signifigant amount, so much so that Adrian Cho and I think that Schertler ought to tell people that the Dyn-B really won't be maximized without it. I use the Dyn-B for arco in a large church where I compete with a lot of brass, and just recently started bringing the Pre-A II as well. After the first time, the soundman experimented with and without it, and the difference was so great he said I really should bring it every time.

With your Fishman EQ, you may be able to find that resonance cut. I think Adrian figured out what frequency it occured on.

With the Dyn-B and pre-amp, I find in most club situations the difference between the Schertler and my AKG C-3000 to be negligible. If the club has a decent sized stage and a PA that provides phantom power, I use the mic; all other situations the Dyn-B.

Congrats on your purchase, I hope you remain as happy as I have been with mine.

Monte
 
#25
What I found while comparing the Pre-A to my Fishman Pro Platinum through a Clarus is that I liked the Fishman better. The Pre-A notch does cut out a frequency that tended to feed back but did not eliminate the irritating resonance (around a Bflat) I was trying to get rid of. I think the Fishman was better at that and had an overall warmer tone through the Clarus, but was more prone to feedback without the notch filter.

On the other hand, I agree with Monte on the PUB 2/280, but the Fishman doesn't work as well (not enough gain???) with that rig. My other gear is up for sale.
 
#26
The jury is still out on the PreA II and I stand by my previous note: Through the Clarus/Raezer, I like the Fishman better, but I like the PUB 2/280 best with the DYN-B. Because I couldn't get as much gain as I wanted out of the Fishman into the PUB, for the time being I'm sticking with the PreA,

My guess is that the PreA output level is the same as the output of a mixer, while the Fishman output is for bass amps or mic type preamp; more like a like a DI. I assume the PUB is looking for mixer output levels.

Since Schertler writes how the DYN-B is best through a PA I am going to try a cheap ($70) Behringer mixer instead... just to see if the Pre A is $220 better.

As mentioned in my previous posting, the DYN-B is less feedback prone with the Pre A than with the Fishman, But the PreA is more harsh and still does no better job of eliminating an irritating Bflat resonance at higher volumes

Did I answer your question or just ramble on?
 
#28
I just got the Pub 380 sub to go with my 280 to try out. I needed more volume for a new gig I've got in a new club with no PA system. It sounded GREAT in my practice room, so I'm anxious to try it on the gig Friday.

My initial impression is that it doesn't hit you in the face that it is loud until you turn it off and hear the difference acoustically. It is extremely clean, and theit description of clean and controlled bass seems accurate to me.

I'll report back after using it this weekend. It's a tough environment; loud, noisy club with brick walls and a shallow wooden stage.

Monte
 
#29
Well, I tried it this weekend, and I sent it back. There wasn't really anything wrong with it, but I hoped for more clean volume than I got. It would definitely get loud, but it also got less acoustic sounding. Adding 380 watts, I expected a little more.

I still like the 280, so for now I'll use that, and hope this new club gets a PA so I can use it along with the 280.

Monte
 
#30
Originally posted by Vunz
Since you are still very happy with your Pub 280, haven't you considered to add another 280, instead of a pub 380? That perhaps would be an interesting alternative for high-volume situations. What are your thoughts on this, Monte (and others who want to comment on this, of course)?

Regards,

Vincent
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Scott Reed mentioned this very thing, and I will probably try it eventually. He seemed to indicate it worked well, and I can't see why it wouldn't. I think the 380 over-emphasized the lows, in my case,

Monte
 
#31
Has anyone else had any trouble with "distorted" types of sounds when mounting the Dyn-B on the bass? When I first put mine on, all of my "A" and "Bb" notes came out terribly distorted, while the rest sounded good. At first I was worried that the unit was defective (and it may be), but then I started to wonder if it might be picking up a rattling noise that's on the new bass itself since the transducer is so sensitive and in direct contact with the top. When I play acoustically, I can hear a slight buzzy rattle on the open "A", but the Full Circle doesn't pick it up. I haven't had much time to mess with the Dyn-B yet, so I'll have to wait until the schedule permits me putting it on my other bass to find out what's what. I hope what I'm dealing with here is a pickup that is so sensitive that it's picking up bass noises that are not readily apparent to my ear.

I'll report back in a day or so when I've had a chance to try the Dyn on some other basses. In the meantime, any suggestions or comments are welcome. :)
 
#32
I had the Dyn b for about a month and while I could get a dound that I liked in my home, I was never satisfied with it at the gig...always sounding hollow and wolfy or no volume or uneven...I was always futsing with it. I hate that. Check out the RUTW pick up mixed with a mic. You might like it..
All the best,
Piro
 
#34
No, but I posted a response to this on another thread--you don't have to have the schertler preamp, you just need an adaptor like this:
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They cost like $20-$35.

I've been using the Dyn-B for a while now and had very good results. I'm happier with my amped sound than i've ever been. The other day i was at a gig setting up and the guitarist walked out into the room to do a sound check. He asked me if the amp was on, even though it was already on and at playing volume. To me that's a good sign about how natural the Dyn-B sounds
 
#35
Just wondering if anybody knows if it would be possible to plug my Dyn-B through a much smaller powered PA, specifically the Yamaha MS60S. I tried one out on a whim and really liked the sound and especially its portability. The manual says it goes down to 40hz in frequency response, but I don't know too much about that stuff. My concern is that the punchy-ness of the sound picked up by the Dyn (maybe cause there's more "air movement" or something being picked up by the Dyn, like a mic does) combined with the low end would blow the amp out. I would love to know, because then I seriously would consider getting one to carry around the subway and streets of NY. Here is a link to the manual:

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#38
Hi,
My first post! Happy to have found this community. Phranc, I had the same idea about the MS-60 years ago. I bought one and used it, still occasionally get it out but it really doesn't work with drums - though one can get away with it on a chair.
I know a keyboardist who has 2 for his rig and loves them. He might take mine off my hands, or.... PM me if you are interested. Remember, I don't claim that it works as a bass amp, but I still find a lot of uses for mine. Personally, I have a JBL Eon as this function (Schertler DYN-B and preamp) now and it works - but not portable.

best,

John
 
#39
I've had my dyn-b for about 6 months and have had mixed results. My biggest problem is that certain note get really boomy, especially A on the g-string. I'm using the schertler preamp and have played through a number of pa systems including that nice Bose that looks like something you put a basketball hoop on. I think what I need (besides a new bass) is a nice small eq with balanced xlr. Does such a thing exist? Any suggestions?
 

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