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Scorsese's Dylan film

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by lat, Jun 15, 2019.


  1. lat

    lat

    Dec 30, 2014
    Lower Basstonia
    ElectroVibe and Oddly like this.
  2. Axstar

    Axstar Inactive

    Jul 8, 2016
    Scotland.
    I'm giving it a bash. The notion of it all is quite interesting. Bob and co take a sort of introspective approach to being Americans in the time of the bicentennial. Bob also wanted to do a sort of potted history tour of America that took in smaller or overlooked locations.

    I sense that a lot of coherence and clarity was ultimately sort of bled away by coked up hippies. Allen Ginsberg seems like an incredibly wearing character, and that weird woman on violin gets a bit annoying after a while. It feels like she is being willfully weird and opaque; like it is a requirement to hang around Dylan.

    What I question, honestly, is the integrity of it all. It feels like Dylan and co worked their way through a heap of coke and then studied gypsy jazz, shamanism, Kabuki theatre or whatever grabbed their attention for two seconds. They plundered anything esoteric then reeled off a slightly disingenuous pastiche of it onstage, to mass appreciation and plaudits. Bob couldn't simply paint his face white without there being some deeper meaning to it all. As such it has felt pretty self indulgent so far.
     
  3. consectaneus

    consectaneus

    Sep 23, 2016
    I was really impressed by the performances. I do understand about the trippy free association poetry and stuff, but I don't get the sense that Dylan ever really descended into that like Ginsburg and Patti Smith did in the movie. But hey, I understand a little of the zeitgeist of the time and when that sort of thing was considered profound. I thought Dylan was super focused and intense. Joan Baez called him the most charismatic person she ever knew and I think the film bears that out.

    I read later that some parts were fiction, such as the bit with Sharon Stone and the interviews with the promoter.
     
  4. ElectroVibe

    ElectroVibe

    Mar 2, 2013
    I haven't seen it yet, and I've never cared much about this period of his music. But it's interesting to me now because I know this was shortly before his conversion to evangelical Christianity.
     
  5. jerry

    jerry Too old for a hiptrip Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    I really dug the live performances [Doug Stoner], but the interviews with the fake film maker, Sharon Stone etc ruined it for me. The scene with Joni Mitchell singing Coyote at Gordon Lightfoot's house was awesome though.
     
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  6. Paulabass

    Paulabass

    Sep 18, 2017
    I've always loved Bob's writing, but have a problem with his voice, BUT, this movie is incredible!! I have a whole new respect for Mr. Dylan, and what he's all about.
     
  7. consectaneus

    consectaneus

    Sep 23, 2016
    Oh yeah...that was a highlight for me too. A document of a great song coming together.
     
  8. I hear the complaint about Bob’s voice all the time. So he’s not the greatest singer. His songwriting is magnificent, so I cut him some slack.

    I hear the same about Neil Young. Neil has a very distinctive voice. You know after two notes that it’s Neil. I think that’s a very good trait to have. And again, his songwriting is superb.
     
  9. Jigmay

    Jigmay

    Mar 24, 2004
    Haligonia
    "Scorsese does it again. This gave me a much greater appreciation for Dylan. Still don't like his voice, but he had a real charisma on stage, with a powerful delivery of his lyrics, even though it was usually not in tune."

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This exactly! I could never get past his voice, but now I 'get' him.
     
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