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Double Bass Scott LaFaro’s Tone

Hey guys,

First post here so I’m not sure if this is in the right thread. Anyway, I’ve been going back and listening to all of my recordings of Scott LaFaro (especially the two Village Vanguard live albums). One thing I’m always struck by is how even though he plays quite fast, he has this incredible tone that is very full and booming.

I was wondering how one can achieve a tone similar to his on the album. How much of this has to do with bass setup, right hand technique, strings, amplification, etc.


Thanks for the help!
 
Hey guys,

First post here so I’m not sure if this is in the right thread. Anyway, I’ve been going back and listening to all of my recordings of Scott LaFaro (especially the two Village Vanguard live albums). One thing I’m always struck by is how even though he plays quite fast, he has this incredible tone that is very full and booming.

I was wondering how one can achieve a tone similar to his on the album. How much of this has to do with bass setup, right hand technique, strings, amplification, etc.


Thanks for the help!

I think it has less to do with any gear (setup strings blah blah) but work on getting that tone you like at a slow tempo, and figure out how to speed it up. Thats the hardest part and takes time.

I think for that sound a lower string height will help. Different than a higher string height sound that may be better for a PC sound.

Scotty played on gut strings played low, but you don't REALLY need to go that route. Whatever strings you have now should be fine, but a pizz oriented string is best (spirocores, evahs, perpetuals). Hope that helps.

You can find videos of someone using his bass to record some of his transcriptions, that may help to show you its more in the playing.
 
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Thanks! I hadn’t really thought about trying to find my perfect tone at a slower tempo, but I’ll have to do that. I’m thinking I’ll need to lower my strings a little bit as well.

I’m assuming you’re talking about the videos Phil Palombi put on his YouTube channel, or are there other ones?
 
Practicing pizzicato long tones will help. I picked this up from Ken Filiano. Basically all you do is pull back any open string using the weight of your arm until the string releases itself from your fingers. You do not tell the string when to release, the string will do all the work for you. From what Ken believes, this is the motion to play pizzicato just extremely slowed down. So this totally ties in with what Sam said about getting a good tone at a slower tempo. Long story short all you need to do is provide the string with just the right amount of energy to vibrate freely, which honestly isn't a lot.
 
I’ve been . . . listening to . . . the two Village Vanguard live albums. One thing I’m always struck by is how even though he plays quite fast, he has this incredible tone that is very full and booming.

Don't forget that you're listening to a mic placed a few inches in front of his bass.

It will never sound like that to you when you're holding the bass.
 
There's a Prescott for sale in the classifieds @$50k or so. You can start with that, or you can concentrate on getting the best sound possible with your bass, hands and ability level. As Sam noted, recorded sound is one thing and the variables affecting sound are many, as you mention in your post. You can add room acoustics to that mix, too.

There's no simple answer. You're going to have to work hard and experiment to find the balance of bass, strings, amplification and technique that works for you.
 
As said by my nickname, I'm a really great fan of Scott LaFaro and the real important points stated before in this thread (for me the most important is the veeeeery slooooow exercising, which is not so easy, I tend always to get faster far to much..;) ) but the in my opinion the important question is: why do you want to sound like Scott LaFaro? Why don't you try to get your own sound, your "voice"? As Christian McBride often says: "Your sound is your signature!" :)
As Eric mentioned before.. find the solution, that works for you best...:)
 
Bill Evans said of LaFaro's Prescott bass, "It had a marvelous sustaining and resonating quality. He would be playing in the hotel room and hit a quadruple stop that was a harmonious sound, and then set the bass on its side and it seemed the sound just rang and rang for so long."


I still think it was in his hands.
 
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Hey guys,

First post here so I’m not sure if this is in the right thread. Anyway, I’ve been going back and listening to all of my recordings of Scott LaFaro (especially the two Village Vanguard live albums). One thing I’m always struck by is how even though he plays quite fast, he has this incredible tone that is very full and booming.

I was wondering how one can achieve a tone similar to his on the album. How much of this has to do with bass setup, right hand technique, strings, amplification, etc.


Thanks for the help!
If you read interviews with Barrie Kolstein (son of Sam Kolstein, who was Scott's luthier), he gives a lot of insight as to what Scott was working with. He *probably* played only gut strings, since he died in 1961, a time when steel wouldn't have been used by most jazz guys yet. Barrie affirms that Scott had very low action, especially for the time, on his bass. This makes sense as well, since a combination of gut strings and low action would have meant that his instrument probably had very little tension and easy to play, and explains a lot of his unprecedented technical achievements. Since being restored by Barrie, we can hear that his bass had a lot of natural projection to it even with low action (check out Phil Palombi's videos), which explains how he could still compete sonically with such an easy setup, since low tension strings + low action generally results in a small sound, regardless of technique.

As hard as it is to say, while Scott definitely had an incredible technique on the bass (in both the left and right hands), a critical part of his sound on those recordings was the nature of his instrument himself. Trying to copy Scott's setup with an average or even good-sounding bass won't get you what you're looking for, because the ease of play might be there, but the sound probably just won't project in the way that he was able to.

My suggestion always would be to just shoot for a medium, versatile setup (6-8mm on the G, with quality pizz-oriented strings), and work on how you play rather than what you're playing on. The key to a strong sound, for me at least, has been playing with one finger pointed straight downward so that the tip of my finger is just barely below the edge of the fingerboard. I try to pull the string with both hand muscle and the weight of my arm. People will say it's important to practice without an amplifier, but you should also force yourself to PLAY with other people without one, because guys like Scott, along with Ray Brown, Paul Chambers, Jimmy Garrison, etc. all got their individual, high-quality sounds from this, since amplifiers didn't exist when they came up as bass players.

You'd be surprised at the difference between your sound behind the bass and in front of it once you try playing only acoustically. And when you do plug in, the sound will be so much better in terms of quality, since most of it will be coming from your instrument, with only a little help from the amplifier. Since doing this, I've found that the amplifier has gone from a crutch that I relied on for everyone else to hear me, to a tool that just helps me hear myself in situations where I couldn't hear myself, but with most of the sound still coming from the instrument itself. I think this kind of practice will help you find a bass sound that you're satisfied with as well.
 
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Who was it that said about LaFaro something like this "amazing bass player, but I could not hear him in the band"? His recorded sound is great and unique for sure.
I *think* it was Don Higdon in an archived thread somewhere this forum. He said that contrary to popular belief, Scott did not have a big sound, and that many, while he was alive, thought that he traded audibility for facility. In Phil Palombi's video he includes a clip of the bass being played with audio from the drum mics in a studio, and it still sounds pretty clear acoustically, so it's evidently a very high quality instrument, and I imagine Scott did not go unheard in a quiet situation like the Bill Evans trio. The sound was probably very dependent on the room, but those accounts do make me feel that Scott wasn't getting as big a sound on with that particular setup as many of his contemporaries.
 
If he had his talents and his bass in modern times, those recordings would likely make me cry.
Similar to some of the early vs. later Dave Holland, Stanley Clarke, Charlie Hayden, etc. recordings.
Recording gear and modern quality ( AND reproduction ) of music, and especially bass, has evolved a lot.
YMMV
 
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