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Secret Service and Prostitutes?
- Thread starter Dr. Cheese
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I never saw the hammer swung that fast. Probably because of the proximity to the president and the publicity. Sex, drugs, espionage, beautiful women, an exotic locale, this story has everything.
One of the talking heads this morning said there may be more public executions as soon as today. Based on how quickly they disposed of the first three, I think they have already made up their mind to fire them all. There will be no survivors, they'll purge all the sinners while the spotlight is still hot.
Until the NLRB steps in, anyway. This not a one round fight, by any means.
Damage Control Overdrive. Those folks were incredibly image conscious. I'll bet they throw a fireworks display of contrition, implement a bunch of draconian Cartagena rules that will have the agents cursing for years.
The agents will be smuggling bottles into their rooms and drinking alone with the lights off for years after this one.
It might even save save a few of the agents' lives down the road. The hard drinking culture in law enforcement is very destructive.
Sadly correct. But I meant more along the lines of the guy kept doing stupid thing after stupid thing. Smart people do something dumb and clean up their act; dumb people do dumb thing after dumb thing and expect that somehow they'll come out ahead.
I'm not trivializing the subject of the president's safety, but I haven't reached a point in my life where I can't laugh at the human condition.
Everything is relative, michael. What is appalling to you might be slightly appetizing to me. It should be okay for people to be different. Not as different as they were, maybe, but they were not employed as saints or eunuchs, either.
Think of how boring the world would be if we were all the same, with the same values, appetites, all that stuff.
There are people with chainsaws out there, people stealing billions of dollars, polluting, victimizing children and old people. I have to say, I can't get very excited about the substance of this matter (I'm not referring to or trivializing the potential consequences). Gratuitous sex and overindulgence are a big part of the world I live in, which I'm sure is much different from yours.
I've seen a lot of good people do a lot of remarkably bad things in my life. They were still good people afterwards. I don't feel qualified to judge who is smart and who isn't. Maybe I haven't met enough near-perfect people yet!
That sounds like Charlie Kelly. When asked about some previous (certainlydumb) events by a Judge he said as his reasoning "I was drunk" thinking the Judge would excuse his behaviour because of that fact.
False.
The rest of your comment was too ambiguous and too confusing...not to mention rather pointless for me to comment about.
Oh stop. I don't know any of these people. I'm not going to pretend they were my best friends and I should be saying "poor poor guys". All I know is they were supposed to be employed to do a certain job and blew it, big time. I'm not talking little time, lost some paperwork or maps...I'm talking compromising-safety-of-the-highest-officials in-the-land-blowing-it-big-time. I want responsible people doing these jobs, since I am one who is paying them. So as far as I'm concerned, I hope the boot goes very far up their $*&.
So youre saying that not all things are considered in relation or in proportion to something else?
I doubt that these going ons are anything new to the secret service, its just the first time its been brought to the publics attention.
I dont think the safety of any of the highest officials was compromised. Again, this isnt the first time there have been "escorts" around in these situations, the SS knows how to handle them, Im sure.
I doubt that these going ons are anything new to the secret service, its just the first time its been brought to the publics attention.
I dont think the safety of any of the highest officials was compromised. Again, this isnt the first time there have been "escorts" around in these situations, the SS knows how to handle them, Im sure.
You're in the minority then with that thinking. It's not a matter of 'was' compromised though - it's a matter of engaging in acts that could easily have compromised. Just because it's not the first time doesn't mean it's any less stupid. Thanks be that they took appropriate action.
As for the relativity - nope, I have no reason to believe everything is in relation or proportion to something else.
As a borderline alcoholic who associates with some champion drunks, I know all too well. A few weeks ago my exes house (formerly mine) was trashed by two drunks fighting over $2. Im so glad I dont live there anymore. I use "I was drunk" to excuse my behavior all the time. A couple weeks ago I slept with a friend who I normally wouldnt have, but I was drunk.
What we have here is a breach of contract, nothing more, nothing less. It just happens to be a contracted service that is "icky", and something we don't really like to think about.
She stated $800, he offered $30 the next morning. She was upset and created a commotion. His tactics of negotiating need some work, but >95% discount for anything is impressive!
So what would happen if the secret service agent had rented a car? And upon return, stated, "I'm not going to pay that price" and caused a commotion. Where would the outrage be?
They were discrete about their occupations - the girl didn't even know they were US GOVT. It was upsetting after the fact because she knows that the weight of the US GOVT is coming down on her now. Take away the suits, sunglasses, ear-buds, and Sig Sauer pistols - and you have some middle aged dudes with athletic builds, out to have a good time. Those same dudes happen to pick up a few girls.
The people crying "security" and outrage are the US politicians (in this, an even-numbered year...). Mention the "security" word & all of a sudden, a minor issue gets blown out of proportion. I have no doubt the agents would have been able to secure the situation when appropriate.
BTW - no photos of the girl posted yet? They are available with a quick use of the google machine. If that is indeed her - quite easy on the eyes.
Lastly, if a consenting adult decides to have some sex in exchange for money, and another consenting adult decides to pay for it - cool. I won't patronize a working girl (I'm also happily married), but I would never try to prevent someone else from engaging in it. To me, it is only a problem when the worker is coerced into performing, but as long as they are consensual? Why not?
She stated $800, he offered $30 the next morning. She was upset and created a commotion. His tactics of negotiating need some work, but >95% discount for anything is impressive!
So what would happen if the secret service agent had rented a car? And upon return, stated, "I'm not going to pay that price" and caused a commotion. Where would the outrage be?
They were discrete about their occupations - the girl didn't even know they were US GOVT. It was upsetting after the fact because she knows that the weight of the US GOVT is coming down on her now. Take away the suits, sunglasses, ear-buds, and Sig Sauer pistols - and you have some middle aged dudes with athletic builds, out to have a good time. Those same dudes happen to pick up a few girls.
The people crying "security" and outrage are the US politicians (in this, an even-numbered year...). Mention the "security" word & all of a sudden, a minor issue gets blown out of proportion. I have no doubt the agents would have been able to secure the situation when appropriate.
BTW - no photos of the girl posted yet? They are available with a quick use of the google machine. If that is indeed her - quite easy on the eyes.
Lastly, if a consenting adult decides to have some sex in exchange for money, and another consenting adult decides to pay for it - cool. I won't patronize a working girl (I'm also happily married), but I would never try to prevent someone else from engaging in it. To me, it is only a problem when the worker is coerced into performing, but as long as they are consensual? Why not?
The biggest security issue in these sorts of situations isn't about securing the situation - but about the future potential for it to be used as a lever in the future.
well now you've got my attention! i do believe that everything is, indeed, relative. i believe reality is subjective.
i also believe that a nefarious group using prostitutes (or agents acting as prostitutes) is a very real potential threat. too bad for the secret service; they may just have to hold up to a higher standard than the average citizen. which, of course, they knew when getting the job. matter of fact, i bet that is part of the motivation to go into that line of work, somebody who wants to be more than average...
take away the athletic builds and you've got......
... me!
(where's the hookers and blow?!)
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