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Secret Service and Prostitutes?

#81
cheezewiz said:
No matter Palin's buffoonery, she IS a MILF! Anyway, the agent is a dumbass. Even local yokel me knows not to post work related stuff on facebook!
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I am wondering which is the bigger idiot, the guy who started the beef by arguing price with the prostitute, or the guy who documented himself acting like a thrteen year old jackass on facebook.

Since I wasn't there for the argument about the fee, I almost have to say that guy is not the stupidest man alive. Taking it out of context, I just can't apply that label.

The guy with the facebook post, he's clearly a dim child in an old man's body. He's the dumbest!

I'd love to know the backstory. How can someone that dumb stay employed as long as he did?
 
#82
Giraffe said:
The reporting is really all over the place here.

The descriptions of provided by these unnamed sources in different articles have ranged from elite supervisory special agents to dog and bomb handlers assigned to the uniformed division. They were in Cartagena anywhere from the preceeding week to one day. One guy was fired, or maybe he was told he was going to be fired, which is not nearly the same thing. The other guy resigned, or retired, who knows.

The uniformed guys may have a union, but SA's are prohibited by law from unionizing, in most cases. The supervisory agents or dog handlers shouldn't be covered because they are supes. FLEOA is a fraternal organization, not a union in any sense of the word that I know of. None of this is news, or a secret.

I think they see a story with sex, foriegn intrigue, the stupidest guy in town ogling a controversial public figure and going out of his way to brag about it in public, and the blood rushes to some part of the body other than the brain. They gotta get the story out first, even though it is not really right, yet. Right, wrong, or indifferent, it seems like they want to be first.

This serves the public poorly,in my opinion. Too many people (my dad immediately jumps to mind) read the headline and the first paragraph and assume they have the whole story. They stop believing or listening to anything different, and they miss or ignore the retractions and corrections.

If no one shines a light on these events, they get swept under a carpet, excused, sanitized, buried in the desert. But when the light is all bent to hell, people get misled, confused, angry about non-facts.

If you read a few of the different reports one after another, you will see what I mean. Pay close attention to the use of the word "elite" because they seem to be applying it to everybody who was near the scene, including the uniformed guy and the dog supe who is assigned to the academy.

Most outfits don't assign many elite types to the academy. I think there is some element of salesmanship muddying up the water.
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No matter how muddy some of the news accounts may be on this, people have and will be getting fired, as they should be.

We don't need any news reporting to know that SS agents kicking it with prostitutes is out of line. Maybe when the day come you or loved ones have to depend on having another human for life protection and details get a little sloppy you'll realize that news reports wouldn't matter. What matters is how close to home the tragedy would hit.


It's not about reading muddy reports, common sense lets us know that it was not kool and that so called professionals who are suppose to be protecting lives should be dealt with a hard hand.
 
#83
Giraffe said:
I am wondering which is the bigger idiot, the guy who started the beef by arguing price with the prostitute, or the guy who documented himself acting like a thrteen year old jackass on facebook.

Since I wasn't there for the argument about the fee, I almost have to say that guy is not the stupidest man alive. Taking it out of context, I just can't apply that label.

The guy with the facebook post, he's clearly a dim child in an old man's body. He's the dumbest!

I'd love to know the backstory. How can someone that dumb stay employed as long as he did?
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That's the amazing part. You CAN'T be dumb, and get hired by the Secret Service. An attorney friend of mine took the test when he was younger, and said it was bar none, the most difficult test he has ever taken, including anything done in law school.
 
#84
cheezewiz said:
No matter Palin's buffoonery, she IS a MILF! Anyway, the agent is a dumbass. Even local yokel me knows not to post work related stuff on facebook!
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i know what you mean about buffoonery...there is a lot going around...:D

she is almost as much of a buffoon as a certain resident of Pennsylvania Avenue.

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#86
JAUQO III-X said:
No matter how muddy some of the news accounts may be on this, people have and will be getting fired, as they should be.

We don't need any news reporting to know that SS agents kicking it with prostitutes is out of line. Maybe when the day come you or loved ones have to depend on having another human for life protection and details get a little sloppy you'll realize that news reports wouldn't matter. What matters is how close to home the tragedy would hit.


It's not about reading muddy reports, common sense lets us know that it was not kool and that so called professionals who are suppose to be protecting lives should be dealt with a hard hand.
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I see two seperate issues, the event that occurred, and the slipshod reporting. The SS guys did something wrong. The editors and reporters who flooded the media with misinformation did something different wrong.

I was trying to comment on the slipshod reporting, not the consequences of the agents' actions. Saying the news media screwed up is different from saying the agents shouldn't be held accountable, which is not even close to what I said. If you re-read that post, you should see that.
 
#88
There is a bigger issue in this case. Putting aside the fact that there are security issues in question, these guys took a major dump on what was supposed to be diplomatic mission.

This screw up has overshadowed the whole purpose of the President's trip. This is not the kind of attention you want when trying to improve international relations. :scowl:
 
#89
Giraffe said:
I see two seperate issues, the event that occurred, and the slipshod reporting. The SS guys did something wrong. The editors and reporters who flooded the media with misinformation did something different wrong.

I was trying to comment on the slipshod reporting, not the consequences of the agents' actions. Saying the news media screwed up is different from saying the agents shouldn't be held accountable, which is not even close to what I said. If you re-read that post, you should see that.
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I don't need any reporting from the news. The potential for life disasters were very high and that is what matters.
 
#92
cheezewiz said:
That's the amazing part. You CAN'T be dumb, and get hired by the Secret Service. An attorney friend of mine took the test when he was younger, and said it was bar none, the most difficult test he has ever taken, including anything done in law school.
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books smarts < common sense.

I know people who got 1400+ on SATs (back when it was out of 1600) who were alcoholic morons; 7 years later I'm assuming they are overweight and working a local gas station. Intelligence needs to go hand-in-hand with discipline and self-control (which = wisdom). If it doesn't, it is worthless.
 
#94
abstractart06 said:
There is a bigger issue in this case. Putting aside the fact that there are security issues in question, these guys took a major dump on what was supposed to be diplomatic mission.

This screw up has overshadowed the whole purpose of the President's trip. This is not the kind of attention you want when trying to improve international relations. :scowl:
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Not to mention that it wasn't that many years ago in Colombia that presidential candidates and other political leaders who were not to the drug cartels' liking were gunned down openly in the light of day. It's not now like it was, but it's still good reason to keep things tight.
 
#95
This story is becoming quite comical.

Some observations by me:
1. Security issues - maybe, maybe not. These folks know how to create a secure situation. As long as they can wrap up the shenanigans with a proper amount of time to clean up - that doesn't necessarily mean there are security violations.

2. Tax payer dollar - in an era where many people are facing tough economic times, federal tax dollars are viewed as especially precious, with demands for investigation IMMEDIATELY! We have no problem whizzing away millions of dollars elsewhere on silly things, but this waste is egregious.
 
#99
JAUQO III-X said:
I don't need any reporting from the news. The potential for life disasters were very high and that is what matters.
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Please don't be offended by this, but you sound exactly like my father! I love my father, by the way, but he drives me nuts sometimes!

You can say "I don't need any reporting from the news" but it doesn't mean you don't need to get accurate facts from somewhere. Where do you get the facts that your common sense needs to form opinions and conclusions? How can anyone create anything of value on a foundation of half-truths and errors? Inaccurate reporting makes it impossible for us to make informed decisions. It creates that half-cocked condition my dad seems to like. A dangerously misinformed public is off to the polls! OHHHH, NOOOO!

To your second point, no one suggested that the potential for problems didn't skyrocket when the party hats came out. All the authorities, including the White House, agree it did not get substantially higher than it always is since they got caught.

What concerns me the most about the situation (assuming the broad strokes are somewhat factual) was the scope. You get a few close buddies together, they might stretch out a little, and do one or two things that could have deep and bloody ramifications. This group was too large, and they committed too many different potentially career-ending stupid acts too far out in public.

It might have been a matter of mass hysteria, or maybe some of the locals tabbed them all for a joke, but I think the most likely answer is that they have a major league culture problem over there.

A little of the arrogance that comes from knowing you protect the president and thinking that makes him your buddy who will protect you, the junior high locker room behavior that comes out whenever three or more men get together, the feeling of invincibility federal employees get from knowing it is hard to get fired, the excruciating boredom of doing the same simple tasks over and over again, and way way too much booze.

They always talk about election years in hushed tones, because they are very stressful times for them. I'll bet they'll really remember this one.
 
#100
Chebass88 said:
This story is becoming quite comical.

Some observations by me:
1. Security issues - maybe, maybe not. These folks know how to create a secure situation. As long as they can wrap up the shenanigans with a proper amount of time to clean up - that doesn't necessarily mean there are security violations.

2. Tax payer dollar - in an era where many people are facing tough economic times, federal tax dollars are viewed as especially precious, with demands for investigation IMMEDIATELY! We have no problem whizzing away millions of dollars elsewhere on silly things, but this waste is egregious.
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I think I agree with this sentiment.
 

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