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Secret Service and Prostitutes?

#61
JAUQO III-X said:
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Oops. This is a lot worse than trying to badge the girls past the hotel clerk. These guys may have left the administration with no alternative but to fire them.

It's funny because the SS traditionaly has a staffing crisis every election year, as too many agents decide they or there wives or their girlfriends or husbands and boyfriends can't live with the travel and hours any longer. It might be a tough time to can these guys. I think they have a union as well.

This could still turn out okay, if maybe, if the president doesn't get hurt, and one or six of these guys find sobriety. That alcohol is like cancer in the law enforcement community.

I stand by my original prediction: the SS guys will lose their jobs behind the scene at the hotel desk. Easier for a gov't attorney to prove. The military guys will receive guidance and help to become more effective soldiers.
 
#63
michael_atw said:
Hey man...dude's makin' minimum wage, bustin' his arse for The Man...tough day at the 9-5...double-shift weeknds...got his wife naggin' on one ear and an angry boss in the other..."Secure that vicinity! Post up in that location!"...lunch sandwich went stale...only pullin' enough to get by...and you're givin' that poor fella grief? For all you know, she might have forgot to put the burger in with the fries. It's enough to make anyone 'full of testosterone' crazy for some free tail...like Giraffe said, he's no monk...just a man...it's what men do...bump on the job...
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I agree with everything except minimum wage and bumping on the job. If, indeed, actual coitus or any related act did take place, and I'm not seeing that yet, the guys were not on duty. They may have been bouncing around like crazy, but they were not on the job.

As I understand, the gov rents their time. The gov does not own their souls.
 
#64
The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request on Monday, April 16 with the U.S. Secret Service (USSS) demanding that the agency release records reflecting the use of taxpayer funds for expenditures for, " flight, hotel, dining, drinking, bar service, room service, prostitution, escorts, companions, recreational or entertainment services" as well as costs " necessitated by the removal and/or transport of the Secret Service’s agents from Colombia and their return and/or transport to the United States, as well as any expenditures or payments to the local police agencies or law enforcement."

The FOIA to the Secret Service states: “The American public in general has a right to know the extent of the federal government's public expenditures and how its tax dollars are being spent on entertainment and leisure activities, poolside drinking, prostitution, and protection of Secret Service agents from law enforcement in Cartenega, Colombia, particularly given the current state of the economy, budget cuts to education, healthcare and housing, and the Secret Service's budget demands for asserted security functions.”

“Time and again, the public is expected to bow to the Secret Service's decisions to bar, remove or distance protesters from being able to have their messages heard by the President, candidates or other officials, with the untested assertion that there is a 'security' need for such abridgement of First Amendment rights. Fundamentally, the public has an interest in the functioning and representations and conduct and character of the U.S. Secret Service in the execution of Presidential security functions, particularly where Courts and the public are asked to defer to the representations of the Secret Service,” stated Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director for the PCJF.

"There is nothing about this incident that suggests it was an aberration," Verheyden-Hilliard continued. "Given that it only came to light because one woman went to the police, it raises the question as to whether women worldwide who are forced into prostitution for survival are used by Secret Service personnel on the public's dime when they carry out their Presidential advance duties."

The letter:
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#65
chuck norriss said:
...it raises the question as to whether women worldwide who are forced into prostitution for survival are used by Secret Service personnel on the public's dime when they carry out their Presidential advance duties."...
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It wasn't bad until this part.

If anything went on between those men and women, it was an act of love. Love, attorney-lady, not force.

See, now these guys are raping women all over the world. Talk about piling on!
 
#69
chuck norriss said:
I should clarify, Giraffe, this is a direct quote from the journalist. Not mine. I just thought it was interesting that they're taking it further.
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I saw that, chuck. Yea, I think it can be a good idea about shining a little light on the situation, because as she points out, this is probably not the only time the guys went over the fence.

I don't think they will find anything in the numbers, though. The SS probably pays for the rooms, and the guys get per diem to do whatever they want with. Not much potential for a smoking gun. They are probably shuttling back and forth between DC and CO pretty regularly as the conference approaches, so there may not be any additional air travel cost.

I hate to see her cheapen her request by trying to tie this matter to women or men being forced into prostitution for survival.

The gals working the president's hotel probably live better than the average TB user
 
#70
I don't think there was anything like a "security bubble" at that time, because there was nothing to put inside the bubble yet. Sounds like these guys were sweeping for bombs with dogs and probably doing some site survey in preparation for the conference.

They get down time, they're just not supposed to go berserk on their down time.:hyper::hyper::hyper:

Imagine these poor guys going home to their wives.
 
#71
Giraffe said:
Imagine these poor guys going home to their wives.
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Poor...poor guys. Lured by their manly instinct to pummel anything in sight. You can't fault them for that, right? I'm surprised they didn't leave a trail of sex on the way there due to that primal urge. You gotta give them props for that. Poor guys. If only those evil Colombian women had kept their pants on, these poor poor guys wouldn't have to deal with their wives.
 
#72
chuck norriss said:
The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request on Monday, April 16 with the U.S. Secret Service (USSS) demanding that the agency release records reflecting the use of taxpayer funds for expenditures for, " flight, hotel, dining, drinking, bar service, room service, prostitution, escorts, companions, recreational or entertainment services" as well as costs " necessitated by the removal and/or transport of the Secret Service’s agents from Colombia and their return and/or transport to the United States, as well as any expenditures or payments to the local police agencies or law enforcement."

The FOIA to the Secret Service states: “The American public in general has a right to know the extent of the federal government's public expenditures and how its tax dollars are being spent on entertainment and leisure activities, poolside drinking, prostitution, and protection of Secret Service agents from law enforcement in Cartenega, Colombia, particularly given the current state of the economy, budget cuts to education, healthcare and housing, and the Secret Service's budget demands for asserted security functions.”

“Time and again, the public is expected to bow to the Secret Service's decisions to bar, remove or distance protesters from being able to have their messages heard by the President, candidates or other officials, with the untested assertion that there is a 'security' need for such abridgement of First Amendment rights. Fundamentally, the public has an interest in the functioning and representations and conduct and character of the U.S. Secret Service in the execution of Presidential security functions, particularly where Courts and the public are asked to defer to the representations of the Secret Service,” stated Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director for the PCJF.

"There is nothing about this incident that suggests it was an aberration," Verheyden-Hilliard continued. "Given that it only came to light because one woman went to the police, it raises the question as to whether women worldwide who are forced into prostitution for survival are used by Secret Service personnel on the public's dime when they carry out their Presidential advance duties."

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BFD.

If anyone thinks that any morsel of substance shall come of this request, I will question how they attain oxygen.

Any response to this motion will be the perfunctory '...We have located information that is responsive to your request, but have denied the request based on the exemption at Section X, Paragraph Y...

The FOIA has a provision for privilege when the issue surrounds matters of National Security. In and of itself, the SS is based upon National Security. Fraud; computer, credit cards, counterfeiting.. any manner of fraud is what the SS is really about. Economic security. The fact that they guard our Head of State is an historic duty, and symbolic that they hold it.
 
#73
michael_atw said:
...Poor guys. If only those evil Colombian women had kept their pants on, these poor poor guys wouldn't have to deal with their wives.
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No. If only Num-Nuts had paid the lady and let her go on her way, the guys wouldn't have had to go deal with their wives.

Do you think that maybe any number of these guys don't care about their wives? That's another possibility for a happier, positive ending.
 
#74
chuck norriss said:
The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request on Monday, April 16 with the U.S. Secret Service (USSS) demanding that the agency release records reflecting the use of taxpayer funds for expenditures for, " flight, hotel, dining, drinking, bar service, room service, prostitution, escorts, companions, recreational or entertainment services" as well as costs " necessitated by the removal and/or transport of the Secret Service’s agents from Colombia and their return and/or transport to the United States, as well as any expenditures or payments to the local police agencies or law enforcement."
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What a chucklehead.

Step 1. Google "per diem rates Columbia" - the State Department website is a good reference.
Step 2. Find the values in the table.
Step 3. Multiply the values obtained by the length of time spent in country, with the meals & incidental rate reduced to 75% on the first and last day of travel.
Step 4. Spend some time & find the GSA city pair flight rates.
Step 5. Obtain calculator and add everything up.

Last time I checked, entertainment & prostitution are not reimburseable expenses. Whether they use their per diem money for it is up to them. They could just as easily purchase local artifacts for their mothers.
 
#75
Pretty quick by gov't standards. Probably due to having the president's foot up their collective..

U.S. News - Three Secret Service agents out in prostitution scandal

Three out of eleven dispoed. The guy who was eligible to retire was probably easy for all involved.

"Joe, you really don't want to stay around for this."

"What am I, stupid? Tell me something I don't already know."

"Have you thought about where you'd like to have your retirement party?"

The guy who resigned probably had a great time the night of the party, maybe he was an instigator, and he knew he would never survive the investigation, so he bailed out.

The fired supe sounds bad. That guy probably had some years on the job, but not enough to retire.

I'm startled by how fast that happened.
 
#80
The reporting is really all over the place here.

The descriptions of provided by these unnamed sources in different articles have ranged from elite supervisory special agents to dog and bomb handlers assigned to the uniformed division. They were in Cartagena anywhere from the preceeding week to one day. One guy was fired, or maybe he was told he was going to be fired, which is not nearly the same thing. The other guy resigned, or retired, who knows.

The uniformed guys may have a union, but SA's are prohibited by law from unionizing, in most cases. The supervisory agents or dog handlers shouldn't be covered because they are supes. FLEOA is a fraternal organization, not a union in any sense of the word that I know of. None of this is news, or a secret.

I think they see a story with sex, foriegn intrigue, the stupidest guy in town ogling a controversial public figure and going out of his way to brag about it in public, and the blood rushes to some part of the body other than the brain. They gotta get the story out first, even though it is not really right, yet. Right, wrong, or indifferent, it seems like they want to be first.

This serves the public poorly,in my opinion. Too many people (my dad immediately jumps to mind) read the headline and the first paragraph and assume they have the whole story. They stop believing or listening to anything different, and they miss or ignore the retractions and corrections.

If no one shines a light on these events, they get swept under a carpet, excused, sanitized, buried in the desert. But when the light is all bent to hell, people get misled, confused, angry about non-facts.

If you read a few of the different reports one after another, you will see what I mean. Pay close attention to the use of the word "elite" because they seem to be applying it to everybody who was near the scene, including the uniformed guy and the dog supe who is assigned to the academy.

Most outfits don't assign many elite types to the academy. I think there is some element of salesmanship muddying up the water.
 

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