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Seeking advice on 4-string Bass for 14 yr old son?

If you find a Cirrus for $600, it will most likely be a bolt-neck model. Not string-thru. In which case, you should consider a US-made Peavey Millennium, which would be just as good or possibly better and maybe cheaper.

Or, a Peavey G-Bass. They seem to be going in the $400-ish range right now. And the graphite neck might have some appeal to your son. I like my G-Bass with a Millennium preamp better than I like my Millennium, actually. My tech claims my G-Bass has the closest thing to a 60s Jazz neck of any bass he's worked on outside of an actual 60s Jazz.

Thanks for the guidance. I will looking into details of the G-Bass. Here is a through-neck Cirrus for $650. Not certain if I like the multi-dimensional paintjob but the kid seems to think it's cool. However, I think it's a longer neck than he wants.
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When I was 14, I saved some money mowing lawns and working the summer for dad doing utility work. I saved 600 bucks. I went and bought a Fender MIJ P and a 50 watt practice amp.

Make the kid buy his own stuff. it will teach hime the value of money and how to manage/save it.
 
Thanks for the guidance. I will looking into details of the G-Bass. Here is a through-neck Cirrus for $650. Not certain if I like the multi-dimensional paintjob but the kid seems to think it's cool. However, I think it's a longer neck than he wants.
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That's my only serious complaint with my Cirrus V. The body is short compared to other basses I have. That results in the body of the bass hanging more to my left than other basses that have a longer top horn. And the body hanging more to the left, means the reach to the first fret is further away from my body than even my other 35" scale basses.

OTOH, the neck on my Cirrus V is the nicest feeling/playing neck of any bass I have layed hands on. And the sound, with a Millennium preamp installed, sounds as good to me as any other bass I've heard. I'm currently digging the P and MM sound of my MPG more than the hi-fi sound of the Cirrus, but it's an apples and oranges thing. Today I want an apple. Tomorrow, I might want an orange.
 
I start playing when I was 14, (16 now).
I think you should get him an Ibanez Sr series bass.

Actually could be good advice! I say that because although a Fender makes great economic sense and is a bass "standard" that can cover the widest range of music reasonably.

Young players (especially 14 or 16) can have more interest in music where a "modern" sounding bass fits best. Ibanez is the "standard" for modern bass sounds the way Fender is for "old school" bass. So there is a certain "player preference" factor here that needs to be considered.

A Conklin is a very "modern" bass too. I've got a 7 string Groove tools and it is an excellent modern-style bass for the money...especially if you can find one used like I did. (with fewer strings, natch)
 
Actually could be good advice! I say that because although a Fender makes great economic sense and is a bass "standard" that can cover the widest range of music reasonably.

Young players (especially 14 or 16) can have more interest in music where a "modern" sounding bass fits best. Ibanez is the "standard" for modern bass sounds the way Fender is for "old school" bass. So there is a certain "player preference" factor here that needs to be considered.

A Conklin is a very "modern" bass too. I've got a 7 string Groove tools and it is an excellent modern-style bass for the money...especially if you can find one used like I did. (with fewer strings, natch)

Since you have Conklin experience, is $500 for the Conklin 5-string shown in the pictures above a reasonable price? It's a bit over what I want to pay and in truth feel that I may be able to find him a less expensive, better known bass in the $300 to $400 price range.

In fact, I do see 4-string Ibanez SR300's as low as $225 on eBay right now as well as a few other Ibanez's including this 5-string that looks interesting. Is there a certain set of PUPs that sound more "modern"?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ibanez-SR505-Ac...e-/300479885366?pt=Guitar&hash=item45f5ff3036
 
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Since you have Conklin experience, is $500 for the Conklin 5-string shown in the pictures above a reasonable price? It's a bit over what I want to pay and in truth feel that I may be able to find him a less expensive, better known bass in the $300 to $400 price range.

In fact, I do see 4-string Ibanez SR300's as low as $225 on eBay right now as well as a few other Ibanez's including this 5-string that looks interesting. Is there a certain set of PUPs that sound more "modern"?

I really hate to give advice to any beginner beyond "fender" or "Ibanez" because I hope you can see that there is a great deal to this business of choosing a bass. Not only sound but feel, weight, neck profile, active or passive, J or P and on and on... and all that above and beyond the issues of price. The problem is that when a person is just starting out, they tend to not know what exactly they'd really want. They don't have the experience to know. Hence, they tend to be dazzled by the flashy or weird and then end up with something that some time later has them saying, "what was I thinking when I got this?"

So generally speaking a Fender is pretty "safe" even for resale, and so is an Ibanez if your tonal desires lean that way. They both cover a pretty wide range of styles and music. An Ibanez has a thinner neck feel and a Fender a fatter one. So that can be an issue too. But either are a reasonable place to start for a beginner.

A conklin on the other hand is like a super-Ibanez. It's way over to one side on a scale. It's not one of my go-to basses unless the sound it has is the sound I'm looking for at the time. You've seen the reviews... all 9s and 10s. BUT what they don't say is that this is within the STYLE of Conklin. So yeah, $500 is a good price. As crow01 notes, this is drifting away from the mainstream.

But I don't want to lead anyone astray, and to me that means sticking to basses in the mainstream to start out. I know a local pro bass player who has just two basses: A Squier J and a Cheap Ibanez. He takes them both to gigs and tears down the house with them. But understand both were personally selected by him! As I said there is so much to this bass selection thing, that a beginner can't possibly hope to hit everything right the first time.

Hence I try to restrict my advice to standards like Fender and Ibanez. So hey, if he's into techno or something and is in love with that over-the-top Conklin sound, then go for it. But let me say that very few of us here (myself included) are still playing and happy with the bass we started with. Experience somehow gives you a much better grasp of perspective.
 
Out of those listed by the OP I vote for the Yammy. exceelent bass, much less likelihood of a lemon than a Fender, and it is a P/J, which will let him accommodate different styles of music as his interests progress. Otherwise, those Peavey basses people have been mentioning are, IME, very nice.
 
First, in order to turn a profit on any bass, you're most likeley going to have to keep it for a long time. Something to consider there.

If you are someone who likes to buy 'the best they can' for the 'best price thay can', consider a Carvin B40.

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$699 plus about $40 shipping, and 10 days for your son to make up his mind as to whether or not he likes it. With the single coil pickups, it does a pretty good Fender impersonation. It is made in the USA. Construction, fit, and finish are first rate. Carvin's customer service is 2nd to none. And right now, they're throwing in the case for free.

Because Carvins are 'factory direct', they are a bargain. Because a new one is such a bargain, they have pretty terrible resale value, so you won't be making a profit on it anytime soon, but I don't think that will be an issue. He'll like it. Just ask the guys on the Carvin thread.

You also aren't too far away from a Carvin SB4000, price-wise.

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You may also want to check Ebay for a used Carvin, if you are looking for a real steal.

Let us know how you make out, and good luck.
 
We are in North Carolina but not certain why that would matter.

He's BIG. 5'8 and 130 lbs and will be 6'3" when he is done growing. He wants a 34" now because that is what he has been practicing with and they are easier on the finger (not that he has complained nor would he have any problems with taught-er strings)

I've been 5'8" since I was 13, still am at 25. So that don't mean anything. He could stop now, or grow over 6'5", who knows.
 
If you're really looking for something special try looking for a used, or more specifically, a vintage bass. A vintage bass has a story and a character all it's own. It has been played for years and years and there is definitely a reason why; because its previous owner(s) loved it! Some don't come cheap but some do, and if you look hard enough, you can find some very unique used basses out there that would be in your price range. I think old instruments are the best kind for beginners. After he develops an idea for what he really wants in a bass, he will most likely find one that fits. Since it's impossible not to get attached to a vintage instrument after learning on one, he'll probably want to keep his first bass. Also, in the future, remember that it is okay to own more than one!!!

There is a category for vintage guitars on ebay. Search for basses (with your kid, of course) in this category and see if anything catches your eyes.
 
I really hate to give advice to any beginner beyond "fender" or "Ibanez" ..as there is a great deal to choosing a bass....An Ibanez has a thinner neck feel and a Fender a fatter one so that can be an issue (and is in this case)....A conklin on the other hand is like a super-Ibanez. It's way over to one side on a scale and ... It's not one of my go-to basses...$500 is a good price....As I said there is so much to this bass selection thing, that a beginner can't possibly hope to hit everything right the first time....into techno and is in love with that over-the-top Conklin sound, then go for it.

Thanks for the details and yes, this helps quite a bit actually. I personally would DEFINITELY call the music he likes "techno" and that may be why the teacher recommended this one to him. Yea, it may be a bit over the top, but if it's the right price then maybe we still go for it. However, I will also take your advice about the value of lower-cost basses and start focusing more on some $300 (street priced) basses. As I stated in an earlier post, I tend to pick up higher-end or more esoteric options so that may have been part of why this thread has esoteric options included.
 
I've been 5'8" since I was 13, still am at 25. So that don't mean anything. He could stop now, or grow over 6'5", who knows.

I understand your comments but the size of men on one side of my family is between 6'2" and 6'4". He has those body and facial characteristics so the doctors have told us that he will likely grow to that size (the doctors were not aware of the family genetics until after they had projected his future height). At the time they projected it, he was only 5'2" and I was like, yea,,,sure he will but this past year has been amazing. I am only 5'10" and my wife is only 5'0" tall so his genetics come from my mothers side of the family and it is quite likely that he will reach those levels. If he doesn't, it should not affect the Bass choice as he can likely play pretty much ANY bass with his current height but at the time the forum did not know if he was 58" or 3'2" so that was the primary intent of my statement.
 
If you're really looking for something special try looking for a used, or more specifically, a vintage bass. A vintage bass has a story and a character all it's own. It has been played for years and years and there is definitely a reason why; because its previous owner(s) loved it! Some don't come cheap but some do, and if you look hard enough, you can find some very unique used basses out there that would be in your price range. I think old instruments are the best kind for beginners. After he develops an idea for what he really wants in a bass, he will most likely find one that fits. Since it's impossible not to get attached to a vintage instrument after learning on one, he'll probably want to keep his first bass. Also, in the future, remember that it is okay to own more than one!!!

There is a category for vintage guitars on ebay. Search for basses (with your kid, of course) in this category and see if anything catches your eyes.

The Conklin is definitely used but not certain how "vintage" as they were being made until about 4 years ago.
 
Got the final price on the Conklin and it is pretty darned close to my projections. I know it's a good (but unique sounding) bass but am now starting to better understand this forums guidance towards a more low-end/basic bass for my boy.

Bottom line is that I would like him to "foot the bill" and there are a TON (and I mean a TON) of used Basses out there that can be picked up for $200 to $300 and many even have amps with them for those prices. I am finding Fender's, Ibanez's, pretty much "you name it" all for UNDER $350 so not really certain blowing $500+ for the Bass alone really makes sense at this point. Although the money is not the question, the reality is that spending that much really is not necessary either.

For example. I can get this in a red color with an AMP for $140 off my local CL
http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Squier-Vintage-Modified-P-Bass?sku=430659

Or this one off eBay for $100 (apparently)
http://cgi.ebay.com/FENDER-SQUIRE-P-BASS-GIG-BAG-/300478550100?pt=Guitar&hash=item45f5ead054

Now, I realize (of course) that these aren't anywhere in the same league as the Conklin but when everyone and their brother are trying to get cash out of things, there has GOT to be something in between these two extremes...
 
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One last detail I had forgotten... I like most every type of music but being a 14-year old kid, he is into Japanese music (pretty much exclusively at this point). He has been to Japan but we are of German heritage and I was born in the Americas. I do know enough to know that sometimes the "type" of music drives the gear decision but think that in this case, a classic Jazz-style should perform up to his needs. The only thing I think he would prefer is an active bass for the on-board controls.

I'm pretty sure Rickebackers are pretty popular in that area (Japan).