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Seriously??!!

Well, if you really want to know about what chaps my a$$, my ex-wife. Twice in the last 2 months, she needed me to take our kids on a Saturday night (not my normal night), so I blocked out my calendar and was ready to do my fatherly duties. Both times she ended up cancelling on me the day of and on both occasions I had turned down work. Guess who pays me for that, you guessed it, no one! On top of that, she of course expected the kids to be with her on those nights, so I lost money and I lost the chance to spend a night with my kids. I did complain to her about it, but I tread lightly because if she REALLY knew what I made from playing she would demand that I pay more child support...
 
I should've waited until the band became world famous and earning major dough. THEN file a lawsuit for that gig, cashing in more money! Who gives a **** if its one and a half month or 3-4 years? Look at what happened to Bill Cosby, now that he has major dough? Sue when the misconduct really has taken place, not wait EONS until you think he made some errors. The world is full of caching in on lost royalties.
 
When I talked to him in October about cancelling the gig schedule, he never mentioned anything about him declining any potential gig or anything like that...only this December did he mentioned that he declined gigs for us on that particular date.
So your gig happened to fall on a date he already had booked in December and he didn't bother to mention that until now. He's full of crap.
 
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So your gig happened to fall on a date he already had booked in December and he didn't bother to mention that until now. He's full of crap.
not making sense. If the gig was already on his books the issue would never have come up.

Someone is definitely full of it though. Leaning towards OP at the moment. Is he calling the drummer a liar or not? Lying by omission in the OP ticks me off.
 
Wow. No, I opined that the drummer's claim to such previously booked gig is bunk. There was no gig.
Right. In the OP's post he mentioned that the drummer even said that if a better gig came up, he'd most likely take it. I honestly don't think that drummer is as busy as he would make himself out to be. Why bug a guy 2 months later instead of right when he was cancelled? IMHO, the sub drummer is full of it.
 
that may be what you think you meant to say but that isn't what you actually said. Only one booking was ever claimed made, the OP's gig.
Let's try this again.
When I talked to him in October about cancelling the gig schedule, he never mentioned anything about him declining any potential gig or anything like that...only this December did he mentioned that he declined gigs for us on that particular date.
 
Well, OP says drummer claims that he DID decline another offer, within the 4 day window. And said nothing until now. Either window was larger and OP is lying (I see no reason to think that) or drummer is lying, which is easier for me to believe. Whatever. It's over and I'm out.
 
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outlining reasons why I think the onus is on OP to do the right thing (because as you stated, we're not here to counsel the sub or fret over his reputation or consequences of his behavior), so I won't redundantly re-state them here.

Thank god! After the first million times you stated your hard line black and white stance where no reason is too good to be ignored, I don't think I could take a million and one!

Elecracoyote. how long after the OP informed him he wouldn't be on the gig should it take for him to get back to the OP and tell him this isn't cool and he still needs to be paid? can you really wait a month before saying anything?

Apparently forever. Imagining 2 90 year olds sitting on the porch in Boca. "Hey, bassist buddy, remember that gig I was supposed to sub for your band in aught 15, but then you found a full time drummer for the band and didn't need me any more? Well I had turned down doing an open mic with my neice's Jem cover band at the local Chuck E Cheese's, so you need to pay me half, plus interest. Should come to about 12,000 dollars. Good thing too, I got dialysis comin up on thursday, and them things aint cheap!"

OP maintains a clean reputation as a man of his word.

He was never in danger of losing it.

When I talked to him in October about cancelling the gig schedule, he never mentioned anything about him declining any potential gig or anything like that...only this December did he mentioned that he declined gigs for us on that particular date.

GigS? Like multiple? I call BS. So here we are in October, and in a few day period, he just HAPPENED to get offers for MULTIPLE other gigs on THE SAME DATE 2 months out? And in the couple more days it took for you to relieve him of his duties (which he agreed to at the time), he couldn't call those gigs back and get ONE of them secured? Everything about that is a lie.

Here's the thing. OP contacted sub for gig 2 months out. I assume at the same time is when sub told OP that he would bail if offered something for more money (which obviously all these other alleged gig offers must have been for less). Which immediately establishes that this is a "right to work" marriage of convenience, where either side can break the agreement if something better comes along. Turnabout is fair play, so if the drummer wanted those terms, fine, but then he has to live by them as well.

Now, well within a week, OP's band finds a permanent guy, so of course they're going to want to use him for aforementioned gig. OP tells sub. It is at this point and this point only (although in practice about a week's window would be courteous, so he could get back in touch with the other gigs), for the sub to bring up the "all the gigs" that he "turned down" (*cough*BS*cough*), and say, hey, I already turned down gigs that night, so I'd prefer to still play it, or at least get paid half if you guys just want to use your new drummer.

At this point (2 months ago), the OP could have either agreed to keep the sub on the gig, and have the bands drummer start the following gig, or to just pay the guy the half (I imagine the band would have just used the sub instead of paying for 1.5 drummers).

But now, after many weeks, the sub bringing this stuff up just sounds totally bogus. I don't believe he was anguishing in the darkness over what happened. I think he just saw an opportunity to get some money without doing anything and he took a shot at it. The saddest thing is that the OP has decided to fall for this scam (with the help of coyote and other scam enablers). If you haven't already told him you're going to pay him, I wouldn't. If you're still dead set on wasting money on this scumbag though you could at least ask him on the spot what gigs he turned down (and maybe verify them if possible). But I wouldn't give him a cent. Frankly anything more than a month out, you're free and clear, unless there's some explicit agreement to the contrary beforehand. Cancelling 2 months before and then the guy comes back a week before the gig, he's just looking for a handout, not justice.
 
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I'm late to the bun fight, but read most, if not all of it. Here's my advice to the OP:
- don't pay him until you get paid because you wouldn't have anyways
- if you agree to pay him, insist that he is on-site with his full kit ready to set up and play in case your new permanent drummer spontaneously combusts in a Spinal Tap-like incident. That way you know that he won't be getting paid for your gig and another gig.
- if you agree to pay him, insist that he demonstrate that he has learned all of the required materials for the same reason. That way you know that he could substitute in the future, and you will have gotten something for your money.
 
The only way it can make sense without any lies is if drummer declined a gig or gigs offered to him during the 4 day window. Since OP has gone silent I'm going with total bs story from the getgo.

See, this is why I kind of filtered out a lot of the "he said she said" elements. I'm just not comfortable calling anyone a liar or scam artist over conversations I didn't hear firsthand and details I can't verify.

So far, the only detail I can verify is that OP offered a gig and then took back the offer.

Anyone who thinks OP wouldn't potentially suffer a hit to his reputation for his role in this problem is either naive, inexperienced, or both.

And after first feeling very strongly the sub didn't deserve to be paid, OP seemed to suddenly come to the opposite conclusion. That tells me that for whatever reason, OP realized that he is partly responsible for the misunderstanding and doesn't want the stink to stick on him.
 
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And after first feeling very strongly the sub didn't deserve to be paid, OP seemed to suddenly come to the opposite conclusion. That tells me that for whatever reason, OP realized that he is partly responsible for the misunderstanding and doesn't want the stink to stick on him.

No disrespect, but I never realized or even thought I'm partly at fault in any misunderstanding, I just want to be clear on that. I've been fairly honest from the get go. You can assume and conclude all you like but I believe none of us here can accuse anyone in the forum a liar. We react and respond to the facts we're given not the ones we don't have (of which we often speculate).

I stated my story, and after much thought, I've decided not to pay this drummer as paying him would make me look like I admitted a fault which I never was in the first place. Done and done....
 
No disrespect, but I never realized or even thought I'm partly at fault in any misunderstanding, I just want to be clear on that. I've been fairly honest from the get go. You can assume and conclude all you like but I believe none of us here can accuse anyone in the forum a liar. We react and respond to the facts we're given not the ones we don't have (of which we often speculate).

I stated my story, and after much thought, I've decided not to pay this drummer as paying him would make me look like I admitted a fault which I never was in the first place. Done and done....
You did the RIGHT thing. And don't believe the hype about your reputation! It is intact. Trust me.