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SG & EB Bass Club

Hi all -- I have been curious in SG/EB basses lately, so I went to my local music store last weekend and rented an Epiphone SG E1 for a month to test it out. They were doing half-price rentals the day before they closed for an inventory count, so I got to rent this thing for a whole month for $6.50 CAD. Not a bad deal! And since they didn't have a used one in the rentals department, they rented me a brand new one out of the showroom :)

I have to say, so far I am really enjoying this thing. It is a very fun little bass! I don't love the stock strings but they are at least playable. The tuners also feel very cheap and I would be inclined to upgrade them if I buy the bass later on... but other than those nitpicks, I am having a ton of fun playing it. The sound is pretty muddy, but apparently muddy in a way that I like.

I am now very keen to try out a Gibson SG Standard. There is a massive price difference and I could not justify buying a Gibson ($2459 vs. $419 for the Epi) based on my budget right now... But I have a feeling that I would really enjoy the Gibson SG. I need to hunt down an music store that has one in stock so I can try it out.
All I can say is, I wish you well! I bought an Epiphone when my wife bought her drum set because I ALWAYS wanted one and the price made the decision real simple. Within a month or so, I purchased A Gibson SG bass and in a couple more months, the Gibson Les Paul Tribute DC. I just bought an Epiphone Newport reissue (guess I got real lucky, mine is FANTASTIC) and now I have a pile of Fenders that only get touched to keep in tune for sale. The SOUND of the Epiphone/Gibson basses hooked me and everything else just sounds like a toy...enjoy whatever you decide~
 
I am now very keen to try out a Gibson SG Standard. There is a massive price difference and I could not justify buying a Gibson ($2459 vs. $419 for the Epi) based on my budget right now... But I have a feeling that I would really enjoy the Gibson SG. I need to hunt down an music store that has one in stock so I can try it out.
SG's are going for about $1799.00 in the States. There's some used ones at GC for $1100-$1200. This just at a glance.

Some time ago, in this thread, someone commented to have bought a used Epiphone Eb0, for U$ 100.
Think about it.
 
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For anyone around here who ever doubted that I've long since lost my mind...

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So with all the Gibbies in my house why would I need an Epi EB-0 ?

Well, it's going to become my synth controller, taking over from '70 Aria 1820 Diamond which is a fine inexpensive bass in its own right, but I like the shape and neck profile of the Epi much better...

The bass in the picture has already received a Hipshot bridge and will be heading for a fret leveling in a couple of days along with the installation of Roland pickup...stay tuned...
 
All I can say is, I wish you well! I bought an Epiphone when my wife bought her drum set because I ALWAYS wanted one and the price made the decision real simple. Within a month or so, I purchased A Gibson SG bass and in a couple more months, the Gibson Les Paul Tribute DC. I just bought an Epiphone Newport reissue (guess I got real lucky, mine is FANTASTIC) and now I have a pile of Fenders that only get touched to keep in tune for sale. The SOUND of the Epiphone/Gibson basses hooked me and everything else just sounds like a toy...enjoy whatever you decide~
Thanks for sharing your experience with these basses :-)

I have always appreciated the idea of a neck pickup on basses, like on SG basses, Rics, etc., etc. But I guess I never thought that having only the neck mudbucker would be a sound I would enjoy as much as I have while playing around with this rental Epiphone!

My most-played bass is a Warmoth fretless with an MM pickup in the sweet spot and a J pickup positioned near the end of the fingerboard, kinda/sorta like where the neck pickup would be on a Ric. I love the tones I get out of this bass. Blending in the neck pickup adds more depth to the sound, and soloing the neck pickup can produce a nice range of sounds as well depending on how you send the tone control. But the neck pickup sound from a J pickup is of course not as big and muddy (as in the good kind of muddy) as that SG mudbucker.

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I am definitely still very keen to test out a Gibson SG Standard somewhere. There are a couple nearby-ish music stores that have them in stock, so next time I'm out of town in one of those places, I'll have to make time to stop in and try out the Gibson!
 
Thanks for sharing your experience with these basses :)

I have always appreciated the idea of a neck pickup on basses, like on SG basses, Rics, etc., etc. But I guess I never thought that having only the neck mudbucker would be a sound I would enjoy as much as I have while playing around with this rental Epiphone!

My most-played bass is a Warmoth fretless with an MM pickup in the sweet spot and a J pickup positioned near the end of the fingerboard, kinda/sorta like where the neck pickup would be on a Ric. I love the tones I get out of this bass. Blending in the neck pickup adds more depth to the sound, and soloing the neck pickup can produce a nice range of sounds as well depending on how you send the tone control. But the neck pickup sound from a J pickup is of course not as big and muddy (as in the good kind of muddy) as that SG mudbucker.

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I am definitely still very keen to test out a Gibson SG Standard somewhere. There are a couple nearby-ish music stores that have them in stock, so next time I'm out of town in one of those places, I'll have to make time to stop in and try out the Gibson!
Be aware that the Gibson SG bass uses a different stock neck pickup than the pickup in the Epiphone. So, you might be happy with that Epiphone, the pickup of which is like an underwound version of the original Gibson EB-0 pickup (EB-3 neck pickup). The SG bass has a little extra something to it in the looks/fit/finish department though, imo.

Anyway, yeah, check out an SG bass for sure
 
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Picked up a 120th anniversary SG yesterday. First owner switched out chrome for black tuners and bridge but kept all the original parts that can easily put back on. Trying short scale due to thumb arthritis.
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Nice bass.

Going short string, light string gauge, lower string height, a gradual systematic warm up before playing (starting with no pressure on the thumb, then gradually incorporating the thumb) and learning to play with less thumb pressure all may help. That bridge, a Hipshot, will allow you to get the setup where you need it for max comfort. Might try applying [light] heat (i.e., warmth) before playing and then ice afterwards (not for too long — only about 10 or 12 minutes and with some barrier between the ice and skin so as to avoid frost burn). Or, listen to your doctor instead of some random dude on the Internet :) Haha. I’m just thinking of things I’ve done over the years that have helped to varying extents for various arm/wrist hand issues. Of course reducing total playing time can be part of dealing with it, too.

Enjoy that bass, welcome to the EB-0/EB-3/SG Bass world, and best of luck with with the thumb issue :cool:
 
Nice bass.

Going short string, light string gauge, lower string height, a gradual systematic warm up before playing (starting with no pressure on the thumb, then gradually incorporating the thumb) and learning to play with less thumb pressure all may help. That bridge, a Hipshot, will allow you to get the setup where you need it for max comfort. Might try applying [light] heat (i.e., warmth) before playing and then ice afterwards (not for too long — only about 10 or 12 minutes and with some barrier between the ice and skin so as to avoid frost burn). Or, listen to your doctor instead of some random dude on the Internet :) Haha. I’m just thinking of things I’ve done over the years that have helped to varying extents for various arm/wrist hand issues. Of course reducing total playing time can be part of dealing with it, too.

Enjoy that bass, welcome to the EB-0/EB-3/SG Bass world, and best of luck with with the thumb issue :cool:
Thanks! I visited an orthopedic surgeon and hand therapist who made me a splint and gave me exercises to do. The splint helps and I’m adjusting to playing with it on.
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A while back, I picked up an old MIJ EB-O bass. It sounded quite good, with what appeared to be a single coil pickup. Not content to leave well enough alone, I lifted the pickup out to see what it was. Murphy's Law....When I reinstalled it, the bass had horrible noise. I lifted it out again but I've obviously damaged the pickup because it's developed an intermittent noise when I press on one corner of the casing. It doesn't appear to be something that I can disassemble to repair, so I went pickup shopping on eBay. I ordered an inexpensive set of Hofner-looking staple minibuckers which should arrive sometime this week. I initially planned to just drop in the neck pickup and save the second pickup as a spare. However, I've been toying with the idea of routing in the bridge pickup as well, and perhaps installing a stacked volume control for the pair of pickups. I'm curious if you have any thoughts about the bridge pickup location....Should I just rout it underneath the chrome cover that's already on the bass, or do you think I'm more likely to find a sweet spot closer to the bridge. Any opinions or advice appreciated.
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A while back, I picked up an old MIJ EB-O bass. It sounded quite good, with what appeared to be a single coil pickup. Not content to leave well enough alone, I lifted the pickup out to see what it was. Murphy's Law....When I reinstalled it, the bass had horrible noise. I lifted it out again but I've obviously damaged the pickup because it's developed an intermittent noise when I press on one corner of the casing. It doesn't appear to be something that I can disassemble to repair, so I went pickup shopping on eBay. I ordered an inexpensive set of Hofner-looking staple minibuckers which should arrive sometime this week. I initially planned to just drop in the neck pickup and save the second pickup as a spare. However, I've been toying with the idea of routing in the bridge pickup as well, and perhaps installing a stacked volume control for the pair of pickups. I'm curious if you have any thoughts about the bridge pickup location....Should I just rout it underneath the chrome cover that's already on the bass, or do you think I'm more likely to find a sweet spot closer to the bridge. Any opinions or advice appreciated.
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Hi, nice instrument. Interesting that it says Gibson on the headstock; also interesting fretboard markers.

If it were me, I’d look into getting that pickup rewound. Well, first I’d do some research (if you don’t already know) on which make/model/year the bass is, and in particular, what people think of the pickup in that bass. Or just use your own opinion of "it sounded quite good" — that’s what has me thinking to get it rewound. Plus, you know it will fit perfectly.

Alternatively, I’d look for a likely drop-in pickup solution like the Artec PU-EBA (there are other possibilities too, that’s just the first lower cost one that comes to mind) to preserve the look. Oh yeah, there’s a newer possibility called the Retrovibe HotMud, about which I mainly know its cover looks like a mudbucker/sidewinder, it’s ohm rating is like one too and the price is right. Carefully check the dimensions before proceeding, though. Similarly, for a bit less dramatic sound but still in the same vein, you could look for a used Epiphone EB-0 or EB-3 pickup. But, your own pickup cavity’s dimensions might not be Gibson standard though, so you might check on that or measure.

Beyond that, well you’re clearly ready to experiment, and I can understand that. For me, I’d probably want to preserve a classic look and put any second pickup by the bridge. Other people will know better than me, but IIRC, the modern SG bass and the EB-3 use slightly different bridge pickup positions, so I’d get some opinions on the pluses and minuses of each, measure carefully and use one of those two positions.

Finally, I’ve also always been curious about how a pickup would sound in the P-bass sweet spot position. Heck you could even do a three pickup version, with one in the P spot. I probably wouldn’t, but maybe you would
 
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A while back, I picked up an old MIJ EB-O bass. It sounded quite good, with what appeared to be a single coil pickup. Not content to leave well enough alone, I lifted the pickup out to see what it was. Murphy's Law....When I reinstalled it, the bass had horrible noise. I lifted it out again but I've obviously damaged the pickup because it's developed an intermittent noise when I press on one corner of the casing. It doesn't appear to be something that I can disassemble to repair, so I went pickup shopping on eBay. I ordered an inexpensive set of Hofner-looking staple minibuckers which should arrive sometime this week. I initially planned to just drop in the neck pickup and save the second pickup as a spare. However, I've been toying with the idea of routing in the bridge pickup as well, and perhaps installing a stacked volume control for the pair of pickups. I'm curious if you have any thoughts about the bridge pickup location....Should I just rout it underneath the chrome cover that's already on the bass, or do you think I'm more likely to find a sweet spot closer to the bridge. Any opinions or advice appreciated.
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IMO, between the hand rest(chrome cover-that doesn't cover anything)and the bridge. However, I have 4 basses with 2 pups and I only blend the bridge pup on one. It's all I need for what I do. YMMV.
 
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Hi, nice instrument. Interesting that it says Gibson on the headstock; also interesting fretboard markers.

If it were me, I’d look into getting that pickup rewound. Well, first I’d do some research (if you don’t already know) on which make/model/year the bass is, and in particular, what people think of the pickup in that bass. Or just use your own opinion of "it sounded quite good" — that’s what has me thinking to get it rewound. Plus, you know it will fit perfectly.

Alternatively, I’d look for a likely drop-in pickup solution like the Artec PU-EBA (there are other possibilities too, that’s just the first lower cost one that comes to mind) to preserve the look. Oh yeah, there’s a newer possibility called the Retrovibe HotMud, about which I mainly know its cover looks like a mudbucker/sidewinder, it’s ohm rating is like one too and the price is right. Carefully check the dimensions before proceeding, though. Similarly, for a bit less dramatic sound but still in the same vein, you could look for a used Epiphone EB-0 or EB-3 pickup. But, your own pickup cavity’s dimensions might not be Gibson standard though, so you might check on that or measure.

Beyond that, well you’re clearly ready to experiment, and I can understand that. For me, I’d probably want to preserve a classic look and put any second pickup by the bridge. Other people will know better than me, but IIRC, the modern SG bass and the EB-3 use slightly different bridge pickup positions, so I’d get some opinions on the pluses and minuses of each, measure carefully and use one of those two positions.

Finally, I’ve also always been curious about how a pickup would sound in the P-bass sweet spot position. Heck you could even do a three pickup version, with one in the P spot. I probably wouldn’t, but maybe you would


That pickup looks something like an early 60's sidewinder. It's not though but I bet that thing is old.
 
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I originally bought that bass used on eBay in 2007, but it was old and a bit reliced even then. I had a bit of buyers remorse and sold it to a friend a few weeks later. I just bought it back, very cheap, just after I bought my Gibson SG bass - I figured that if I got the modding bug, it was better to do to an old copy than my new bass. I think it's a Matsumoku - There's a chrome neck plate stamped Made In Japan, but I don't know much about it. Having paid only 100.00 when I bought it back, I didn't want to invest serious money in a new pickup or a rewind, so these cheapie staple pickups looked like a good bet. I know the rout is much smaller than a Gibson or Epiphone rout and I suspect that the new pickup will drop right in and look correct.

My only basis for comparisons on the bridge pickup position are my SG (bridge pickup about 3" from the bridge, compared to the EB-O with the chrome cover closer to 4" from the bridge) and my 63 EB-3 (which had a Precision pickup very close to the bridge), so I guess it's a bit of a crap-shoot no matter what I end up doing. Maybe I'll start by mounting the new neck pickup and see how it sounds first.

This is the damaged pickup I'm removing from the EB-O
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I originally bought that bass used on eBay in 2007, but it was old and a bit reliced even then. I had a bit of buyers remorse and sold it to a friend a few weeks later. I just bought it back, very cheap, just after I bought my Gibson SG bass - I figured that if I got the modding bug, it was better to do to an old copy than my new bass. I think it's a Matsumoku - There's a chrome neck plate stamped Made In Japan, but I don't know much about it. Having paid only 100.00 when I bought it back, I didn't want to invest serious money in a new pickup or a rewind, so these cheapie staple pickups looked like a good bet. I know the rout is much smaller than a Gibson or Epiphone rout and I suspect that the new pickup will drop right in and look correct.

My only basis for comparisons on the bridge pickup position are my SG (bridge pickup about 3" from the bridge, compared to the EB-O with the chrome cover closer to 4" from the bridge) and my 63 EB-3 (which had a Precision pickup very close to the bridge), so I guess it's a bit of a crap-shoot no matter what I end up doing. Maybe I'll start by mounting the new neck pickup and see how it sounds first.

This is the damaged pickup I'm removing from the EB-O
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Are you able to take that apart? It could even be an intermittent short. I wonder if the gasket where the hot is connected is touching the case intermittently?
 
Are you able to take that apart? It could even be an intermittent short. I wonder if the gasket where the hot is connected is touching the case intermittently?

I don't see any way to disassemble the pickup. The case is plastic, and only the baseplate is metal, but there's no apparent way to remove the plastic casing. If I'd been able to pull it apart, I'd probably have tried to repair it before I ordered new ones.

I received the new pickups this morning. They're quite a bit smaller than I expected from something that's called a minibucker, and they won't easily adapt to the existing rout. I think I'll sell these ones and look for a different alternative.
 
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I don't see any way to disassemble the pickup. The case is plastic, and only the baseplate is metal, but there's no apparent way to remove the plastic casing. If I'd been able to pull it apart, I'd probably have tried to repair it before I ordered new ones.

I received the new pickups this morning. They're quite a bit smaller than I expected from something that's called a minibucker, and they won't easily adapt to the existing rout. I think I'll sell these ones and look for a different alternative.


That's too bad, real sidewinders are expensive now.