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Sheet music vs chord sheets?

But using that time to really under chords, keys, transposition, walking lines etc would be much better for me personally.


You're not really in the best position to know that. Mambo4's recommendation of '10-15 minutes of reading practice', is very good advice. Being able to pick up the sheet music for Bach's
Bach Cello Suite No.1 - Prelude, and study it, is really cool. Wouldn't want to miss out on that!
 
You're not really in the best position to know that. Mambo4's recommendation of '10-15 minutes of reading practice', is very good advice. Being able to pick up the sheet music for Bach's
Bach Cello Suite No.1 - Prelude, and study it, is really cool. Wouldn't want to miss out on that!

I'm doing probably 20mins or so a day at the moment so that's no problem at all. I had assumed it would take some serious firepower to get good, but I guess slowly slowly catchy monkey and all that ;)
 
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I'm doing probably 20mins or so a day at the moment so that's no problem at all. I had assumed it would take some serious firepower to get good, but I guess slowly slowly catchy monkey and all that ;)

I strongly recommend this excellent book.
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Hey Mark,

Looks good. I am doing a sight-reading course on Talkingbass at the moment, and I have also bought the ABRSM sight-reading books, too, to check my level. At the moment I am doing 1st position with semibreve, minim, crotchets, and quavers. I am trying to just nail that before moving on. It's bloody hard at tempo. I am trusting the process :)

I'll pick this book up if you think it will help!
 
Sounds like you’ve got a lot covered, anyway. The book gets progressively more difficult and is a great study in rhythm. I’m sure there are other very good books out there, but this is the one I use. There is also a odd time reading text if you’re feeling brave:)
Both books are on amazon, and you can review a few pages. It deals purely with reading rhythms, so once you know all the notes on the staves and understand notation, that just leaves your performance, (articulation) to be concerned with.
 
Sounds like you’ve got a lot covered, anyway. The book gets progressively more difficult and is a great study in rhythm. I’m sure there are other very good books out there, but this is the one I use. There is also a odd time reading text if you’re feeling brave:)
Both books are on amazon, and you can review a few pages. It deals purely with reading rhythms, so once you know all the notes on the staves and understand notation, that just leaves your performance, (articulation) to be concerned with.

Already ordered! Thanks for the tip :)
 
I found the original posters reflections thought provoking.

I should explain that I usually work as Musical Director / Producer so have to engage musicians of varying competence in a variety of scenarios.

I have been tremendously fortunate to work with some extremely good musicians over the years whose playing and recordings everyone will be very familiar with.

The thing is, about half of the best musicians I have ever worked with couldn’t barely read a note of music and the other half could read very well indeed. The point being you have to engage your musicians and their abilities for the given situation, and indeed, the musical context involved.


Furthermore, I take the view that particular musicians excel at specific styles of music. That is not to suggest they are unable to perform in other styles well, as they surely can. The salient point is, that some musicians are totally brilliant, outstanding, in a particular musical style. Therefore, choose horses for courses, is my approach.

Lest anyone think that this approach could only be good in an absolutely idealistic, dream situation where one can pick whomever they want. I can categorically state that it actually works well in any scenario, at any level, professional and amateur alike. It’s simply a matter of fitting a round peg into a round hole, to use a popular analogy and good, plain, common sense.


A practical example that comes to mind would be when Jimmy Page and Big Jim Sullivan (British guitar players) were recording session musicians, many, many, years ago.

Big Jim could actually read quite well, (after a distressingly catastrophic incident during a Film Call, where in spite of his excellent reputation he had been inappropriately engaged by a fixer, to play fully Notated Classical Guitar, written by an eminent Movie Composer, accompanied by a full Orchestra.

It was this difficult to get over incident, that compelled him to learn to read, with the kindly encouragement and assistance of a brother musician at the time.


Little Jim on the other hand was utterly useless at reading musical notation, with no inclination whatever to even try, but upon hearing the initial run through of the music, his creative talent got into gear, and he instinctively knew in his head what the music required, and more to the point, precisely what he was going to do. Chord Sheets gave sufficient and needed guidance to keep him on track..

Big Jim excelled at Standards, Pop, Rock and Roll and Country and Western, whilst Little Jim excelled at Standards, Pop, Blues and Heavy Rock, with a tremendous feel for those latter, particular styles.

As they worked together a very great deal of the time. Depending on the musical style of the recording or whether reading was actually required, one would take the lead and the other rhythm, or visa versa. They would regularly change around, without ego, depending on what either of them were best at. It worked well.

Musical Directors and Producers would regularly engage them together as a team, giving their production the best of all worlds available, for all the different tracks involved. Please forgive this real world practical explanation, involving Guitarists, but I simply don’t know of a better illustration to make this highly relevant point, than to explain it in this way.


I do believe it to be highly beneficial for every musician to learn to read at least to some extent, most especially if they are playing in a Musical Theatre situation.

But often on recordings, musicians are engaged by reputation for their experience and the musical chops they bring to a production. Along with their creative musical imagination, which truly can make all the difference in the world and the essential difference between a hit recording and one that goes absolutely nowhere.


Finally, I should explain that although I Arrange and Orchestrate, I studied Bass years ago under Carol, realising at the time how interesting and essential the Bass had become to modern styles of Musical recordings, moving far beyond walking patterns and basic musical foundations for other instruments to build over.

So, if I write a Musical Score, with genuine humility, I like to believe the Bass part will be written very much as a good Bassist would approach it and be perfectly notated, exactly as it should ideally be played. Sometimes the patterns are intrinsically tied to tightly interact with other musical sections parts, Horns for instance. Such Bass parts are required to be played as written, or the Arrangement wouldn’t work properly.


That situation apart, if the Bassist plays the part precisely as written that’s fine. However, I have learnt through hard won experience to develop the habit of saying to whomever I work with, “if you play this part as written its fine, but you may well feel you can better it, using your specialist knowledge, experience and creativity.

So, I give you your head, you have the freedom to develop the part the way you feel it should go. Hopefully you will prove to be a better player than I am an Arranger, and if you do, no-one will be happier than me, and I’ll ensure you’ll get the album credit for what you deliver.”

I really hope something here is encouragement and help, but the last paragraph for me, represents the very best approach to take in creative recording situations; in all but the times where the Bass part is written to dynamically interact with other musical parts in a Score.
 
Sounds like you’ve got a lot covered, anyway. The book gets progressively more difficult and is a great study in rhythm. I’m sure there are other very good books out there, but this is the one I use. There is also a odd time reading text if you’re feeling brave:)
Both books are on amazon, and you can review a few pages. It deals purely with reading rhythms, so once you know all the notes on the staves and understand notation, that just leaves your performance, (articulation) to be concerned with.

Absolutely loving this book, btw :)

I really like taking the notes out of the equation and just focusing on rhythm. thanks for the rec :)
 
Yes. Had I learnt this way originally, it would've been much easier. Once you've got all the rhythms down, and you can read the notes, its just the fingering to decide on. Otherwise you're trying to do everything at once which can be a bit of a trainwreck. Always important to read through a few times before you try to play it, don't 'hope for the best'. Ive used this book for a student and we would clap the excercises, can be fun, especially as you're either right or wrong, there is no inbetween. Glad you liked the book.
 
I came over from rhythm guitar and fake chord sheet music - and singing along under my breath, with the vocalist came over also.

Rhythm, if I am the beat master, no drummer, the vocalist sets my bpm rhythm. If there is a drummer I welcome his beat. This is fine as long as I have lyrics. With out lyrics to sing along to I have to count. Hate counting....

My internal clock after years of rhythm guitar is good enough for most good ole boy bands, I do welcome some one else being the beat master and pass this responsibility ever chance I have.

Not saying this IS THE WAY just something that may help someone with that ole rhythm thing.
 
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