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Short Scale Basses Compared: Mustang, Stingray, Jaguar, Talman

I have gone a bit crazy for Short Scale Basses lately. Here is my take on the four in the title:

Fender Mustang:
Great feeling neck, although there is a bit of neck dive. Pickups are standard Fender PJ sound. Nothing spectacular. I have replaced them with Duncan vintage PJ versions, so that is much improved. I like the body shape. It is extremely comfortable to play. The one thing I really disliked was the toggle switch pickup selector. My knee hit it while sitting and switched it off the bridge (down) setting too often. I also think it severely limits the tonal options to not have true pickup blend capability. You can run both together, but only full-on. I replaced the toggle with a tone knob and made the 2 original knobs into separate volumes for each pickup. Much more versatile now.This bass feels the most "solid" of the 4, construction wise.

Squier Jaguar Short Scale (older 30" model) I actually think this body shape is a better design for short scale than the Mustang. It sits better, and has less neck dive, even though the weight is very close to the same. Another great feeling neck. Frets on these are not as well finished as on the Mustang, but nothing really "wrong" with them. I like the separate volume blend knobs much better than the Mustang's 3 position switch. Squier PJ pickups are pretty generic sounding. I replaced these with a set of Duncan Designed PJ pickups from a full sized Squier Vintage Modified Jaguar. Sounds much better with those. I also tried a set of Duncan Quarter Pounder PJ's but that was overkill in the low end on this short scale. On this Jaguar Short Scale and one other Vintage Modified Squier Jazz bass, the pickguard warped in the middle to the point that I had to heat it back into shape so I could get my finger under the strings for slap techniques. Overall though, I think this Jaguar SS gives the Mustang (which costs almost 4 times as much new) a serious run for the money even if there was no price difference.

Sterling Stingray Short Scale:
This bass has a MUCH shorter reach than the others, due to the placement of the bridge and where the waist is positioned on the body. It actually feels about the same os the 28" scale Ibanez Mikro, even though the Stingray is 30" scale. I like it, but some with longer arms might find it cramped. Speaking of cramped, the lower cutout on the body is so tight it is impossible for me to reach the last couple of frets on the fretboard without some serious contortions of my hand position. I don't have big hands. The neck feels sturdy, but the finish is definitely not as smooth as the previous two basses. I don't really understand why they would leave it so rough, but a recent Sterling Ray35HH I had was the same, even though it was about twice the price so I guess they just don't think smooth necks are a priority. The neck on this is similar in profile to the Mustang (very jazz-bass-ish), while the Squier is a bit flatter in the back.
The pickup does sound similar to the Ceramic Humbucker in my active Sterling Ray24, but much more tame and a bit duller. I don't know whether this is due to it being a passive bass or the neodynium pickup. You can crank up a little gain on the amp to compensate, and it sounds fine. Make sure you have the Humbucker set far enough away from the strings (Musicman says 12/64ths. That is about 3 times lower than a normal guitar humbucker)
I like the Series/Parallel/Split selector knob. It really does add some versatility, even though it is a bit hard to rotate. The push-push boost knob adds a tiny bit o oomph, but also feels a bit flimsy, so I don't mess with it much. I suspect this bass could benefit from a Seymour Duncan Ceramic Musicman Humbucker, and may try one soon. This is a FUN bass to play, and the best of the 4 to play while leaning back watching TV on the couch.
One note: On the other 3 basses, you can cut a regular long scale string like a 95 gauge and get it down in the tuner holes, but it will not fit in this Stingray, so you will need to use strings tapered specifically for short scale.

Ibanez TMB30 Short Scale:
Out of all 4 basses here, this is actually my favorite one to noodle around on. It is SO comfortable. The neck on this bass feels comparable to the Squier and Fender, and much more smooth than the Stingray. The thing I love most about this bass is the string spacing. It is somewhere between a P-bass and Jazz-bass spacing which is perfect for short scale. Jazz bass spacing is kinda tight anyway, and on short scale basses it can feel even more cramped. This ibanez is in the Goldilocks zone for string spacing and makes slap techniques much easier. The body is also comfortable and the controls are basic, solid and work well. I pretty quickly replaced the pickups on 2 of the other basses, but I actually like these. They are a bit bright, but coming at this from a lifetime playing guitar, I kinda like some bite and snap to the sound. You can always turn the tone knob down. The input jack on these is also very easy to use. I was really surprised how much I liked this little bass. Considering you could get about 4 of these for the price of the Mustang... I really don't think the mustang is THAT much better than the Talman basses right now, but I guess we will have to see what they both look like a decade down the road.
 
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I will add one more that I ended up selling last year...

Squier Classic Vibe Medium Scale Jaguar:
The construction did not feel quite as sturdy as the older Vintage Modified series, although there was technically nothing wrong with it. I do not personally like the stickier gloss finish on the back of the neck. The neck also felt a little thinner in profile than the older Squiers. The finish was done well and I like the vintage stain's color on the neck. While this is technically a medium scale bass, for some reason Squier decided to move the bridge forward toward the neck more on this model, which actually puts the neck reach back out to about where it is on a full scale bass. I was thinking this one would be easier to play than full 34" scale, but I really couldn't tell much difference at all. The pickups were really bland sounding, and I would have replaced them if I had kept the bass. This bass did not have the advantage of being easier to play like a 30" short scale, but it also did not quite have the tone of a full 34" scale bass. The one I had was pretty lightweight though, so maybe if the body had a little more heft, it would have improved the bottom end a bit.

I was interested in the G&L Fallout bass as well, but the way they have it configured, the reach on it is about like a full size 34" scale bass. I kinda fail to see the point of these medium and short scale basses that do not decrease the reach to the first fret by much. I thought that was the whole point of short scale. The string spacing on the Fallout is also P-bass string spacing, and that has always felt too wide for me especially when using a pick.
 
I have gone a bit crazy for Short Scale Basses lately. Here is my take on the four in the title:

Fender Mustang:
Great feeling neck, although there is a bit of neck dive. Pickups are standard Fender PJ sound. Nothing spectacular. I have replaced them with Duncan vintage PJ versions, so that is much improved. I like the body shape. It is extremely comfortable to play. The one thing I really disliked was the toggle switch pickup selector. My knee hit it while sitting and switched it off the bridge (down) setting too often. I also think it severely limits the tonal options to not have true pickup blend capability. You can run both together, but only full-on. I replaced the toggle with a tone knob and made the 2 original knobs into separate volumes for each pickup. Much more versatile now.This bass feels the most "solid" of the 4, construction wise.

Squier Jaguar Short Scale (older 30" model) I actually think this body shape is a better design for short scale than the Mustang. It sits better, and has less neck dive, even though the weight is very close to the same. Another great feeling neck. Frets on these are not as well finished as on the Mustang, but nothing really "wrong" with them. I like the separate volume blend knobs much better than the Mustang's 3 position switch. Squier PJ pickups are pretty generic sounding. I replaced these with a set of Duncan Designed PJ pickups from a full sized Squier Vintage Modified Jaguar. Sounds much better with those. I also tried a set of Duncan Quarter Pounder PJ's but that was overkill in the low end on this short scale. On this Jaguar Short Scale and one other Vintage Modified Squier Jazz bass, the pickguard warped in the middle to the point that I had to heat it back into shape so I could get my finger under the strings for slap techniques. Overall though, I think this Jaguar SS gives the Mustang (which costs almost 4 times as much new) a serious run for the money even if there was no price difference.

Sterling Stingray Short Scale:
This bass has a MUCH shorter reach than the others, due to the placement of the bridge and where the waist is positioned on the body. It actually feels about the same os the 28" scale Ibanez Mikro, even though the Stingray is 30" scale. I like it, but some with longer arms might find it cramped. Speaking of cramped, the lower cutout on the body is so tight it is impossible for me to reach the last couple of frets on the fretboard without some serious contortions of my hand position. I don't have big hands. The neck feels sturdy, but the finish is definitely not as smooth as the previous two basses. I don't really understand why they would leave it so rough, but a recent Sterling Ray35HH I had was the same, even though it was about twice the price so I guess they just don't think smooth necks are a priority. The neck on this is similar in profile to the Mustang (very jazz-bass-ish), while the Squier is a bit flatter in the back.
The pickup does sound similar to the Ceramic Humbucker in my active Sterling Ray24, but much more tame and a bit duller. I don't know whether this is due to it being a passive bass or the neodynium pickup. You can crank up a little gain on the amp to compensate, and it sounds fine. Make sure you have the Humbucker set far enough away from the strings (Musicman says 12/64ths. That is about 3 times lower than a normal guitar humbucker)
I like the Series/Parallel/Split selector knob. It really does add some versatility, even though it is a bit hard to rotate. The push-push boost knob adds a tiny bit o oomph, but also feels a bit flimsy, so I don't mess with it much. I suspect this bass could benefit from a Seymour Duncan Ceramic Musicman Humbucker, and may try one soon. This is a FUN bass to play, and the best of the 4 to play while leaning back watching TV on the couch.
One note: On the other 3 basses, you can cut a regular long scale string like a 95 gauge and get it down in the tuner holes, but it will not fit in this Stingray, so you will need to use strings tapered specifically for short scale.

Ibanez TMB30 Short Scale:
Out of all 4 basses here, this is actually my favorite one to noodle around on. It is SO comfortable. The neck on this bass feels comparable to the Squier and Fender, and much more smooth than the Stingray. The thing I love most about this bass is the string spacing. It is somewhere between a P-bass and Jazz-bass spacing which is perfect for short scale. Jazz bass spacing is kinda tight anyway, and on short scale basses it can feel even more cramped. This ibanez is in the Goldilocks zone for string spacing and makes slap techniques much easier. The body is also comfortable and the controls are basic, solid and work well. I pretty quickly replaced the pickups on 2 of the other basses, but I actually like these. They are a bit bright, but coming at this from a lifetime playing guitar, I kinda like some bite and snap to the sound. You can always turn the tone knob down. The input jack on these is also very easy to use. I was really surprised how much I liked this little bass. Considering you could get about 4 of these for the price of the Mustang... I really don't think the mustang is THAT much better than the Talman basses right now, but I guess we will have to see what they both look like a decade down the road.
The Official Short Scale Bass Club -- Part 4
 
Interesting that you like the pickups and controls for the Talman. I bought my TMB 30 with the expressed purpose of using it to mod with some different pickups, but after doing some work on the neck (roll edges, polish frets, sand rough spots, change strings and set up), I also discovered that the stock pickups, especially the neck, sound pretty good. I guess I'm just going to leave them alone. The only thing I may do now is swap out the pots. They worked great for about 9 months, but I just noticed the other day at rehearsal that they are getting noisy.

My other favorite short scale was the Fallout (tribute). I really regret selling it now, but at the time I preferred it to all the versions of the Mustang. I will probably wind up with another, or maybe I'll buy another Talman and put the MFD pickup in it!
 
For a short scale version of a P, two possibilities for the P pickup location are:

1) the same distance from the bridge as on a 34" P
2) proportionally the same place along the string as on a 34" P (so closer to the bridge by the factor 30/34, as the nut is too).

The TMB30 is different from other short scale P/PJs that I'm aware of because it follows rule #2, and I chose it for that reason about 3 years ago.
I don't know that it's better because I haven't tried the others, but I'm very happy with it.

EDIT: It looks like the shortscale Stingray has its pickup moved back like this too, compared to a 34".
 
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Nice! I think a lot of buyers who want to get into short scale are looking at these models, plus something like the Gretsch Junior Jet and maybe the Sire U5. Including myself. ;)

I've been mulling it over for a while now and the TMB30 seems like the obvious choice, but I wonder how it'll hold up over time and if the parts are good quality. You mention the Mustang PJ feeling the most solid of them all, how does the TMB compare?
 
Mustangs: I would add that not all Mustangs are alike. I owned the Mex version first and you're exactly right in all your comments. But... with the OEM strings installed it was "ok". Putting on Labella 760 flats improved it considerably. This "was" my #1 S.S. at that time. But then I acquired a USA version and was surprised at how different they were. I assume from the type of pickup cause I had the same strings on both. It was like a different model... like they both shouldn't be called Mustangs. The USA was slightly heavier (still under 9lbs), but that eliminated the headstock drop issues. The sound quality and the range of adjustments I could make made this a much better tool. I sold the Mex

Stingray: Spot on..... I feel like a Gorilla playing a Ukulele when I pick up that thing. Nice in all regards, but just too small for me (6'1, 210)
 
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