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Shotgun Question

I'm sorry that you have been robbed. But do you seriously believe that there is no place on earth that you can be safe without a gun? It's absolutely untrue but if you genuinely feel that way then that's an issue you might want to address. I'm not being a smart arse.

Don't worry Kelly Lee, just replying to an earlier post. I won't post anymore of my 'crap'. Feel free to put the boot in. :)

I wasn't saying that at all. I was just merely swinging the pendulum in the opposite direction or painting with a broad brush. There are great people in this world. Unfortunately there are also evil people in this world and who knows who their next target is. I like to err on the side of caution in this matter and arm myself. That's not to say I go everywhere armed because I don't. I do protect my castle, if you will. If you are safe in your situation, that's all that matters. ;)
 
I'm sorry that you have been robbed. But do you seriously believe that there is no place on earth that you can be safe without a gun? It's absolutely untrue but if you genuinely feel that way then that's an issue you might want to address. I'm not being a smart arse.

Don't worry Kelly Lee, just replying to an earlier post. I won't post anymore of my 'crap'. Feel free to put the boot in. :)

I think you spoiled Spoiled Grapes's grapes. :hmm:

Notice that the thread title is "Shotgun Question"...and that the questions SP asked were about using a firearm for home security. Then, notice that he asked that no one brings their politics on gun use into this thread in order not to spoil it.
You are not good at following directions.
-Alex
 
My feeling about this is everyone that's anti gun should be on a reality TV show with their family. Put them to bed all sleeping safe and sound. Then let the SH!T hit the fan with an armed home invader. It would be cool to see them preaching peace or negotiating or trying to talk their way out of a life or death the situation. It would be like the hostages talking their way out of a beheading with those fun loving Al Qaueda folks. I'm sure, after a few episodes, NRA membership would increase!! If you don't have the nads to protect your home and family against deadly force, WITH DEADLY FORCE, call the cops and wait for them to arrive. Dress to impress, your inlaws will be IDing you at the morgue. :rolleyes:
 
Spoiled,

Nice choice with going the shotgun route. Some people swear by handguns for personal defense but I think it's too easy to point that short barrel in the wrong direction sometimes. If you're looking for something a bit cheaper but reliable and easy to use I'd check out Mossberg...they make a model 500 Persuader that looks like it'd work for you. I see you're from California so make sure to check local laws and restrictions before buying a firearm. Also most shotguns come with a wooden dowel rod called a plug that limits the amount of ammunition you can load in the tube (most of the time it's 3 in the tube and one in the chamber), but most guns will hold more if you take that plug out. It's not necessarily legal but it's not like you're going to be hunting birds or anything.
The best thing about shotguns is that they're the most versatile weapons out there, IMO. Oh and about controlling the spread of shot I wouldn't worry about it. In the event of someone breaking into your house, you're probably going to shoot from no more than 10 feet away, and at that point even with smooth bore you're not going to get a whole lot of spread out of the shot.
One more thing....if you decide to use slugs, TAKE OUT THE CHOKE! And have fun breaking your shoulder. :)

I'm sure most of this has already been said, but have fun buying and let us know what you end up with!

FL Knifemaker- What would you rather have in the event of a home invasion? A phone call to 911? Or a Colt .45? :D
 
I dial 1-9-1-1:smug:

Guys, don't take the bait. Some just want to get a rise out of you and you encourage them even with the most civil reply.

Let's go back to talking boomsticks!

Gun show in Ontario on the weekend of the 10th! Lots of folks will be walking around selling their personal firearms. Might be a good time to find a shottie. I'll be there buying powder by the jugs and primers and bullets by the thousands:hyper:
 
A few points from someone who was in the firearms business (including police supply class III weapons) for several years:

1) DO NOT buy a pistol grip only shotgun ( I doubt you can in CA anyway) they are tough to hold and a 12 ga. round could break your wrist with the recoil. You want a stock that can rest the gun on your shoulder. Shoulders absorb impact much better then a wrist will.

2) A 20 ga. is sufficient and their are plenty of self-defense loads available for one. But a heavy twelve ga. is more then manageable for most petite women with lighter loads.

3) A shotgun at close range will tear someone up. The velocity fall off outside of forty yards is quite dramatic. But a rubber pellet load will knock down a three hundred pound lineman inside of fifteen yards.

4) The three biggest advantages of a shotgun are 1] the racking noise is as good as a doberman bark 2] If you are not using slugs, with shotguns you don't have a ton of penetration so it's not likely that you'll kill someone in the next apartment by accident 3] Shotguns, while I still recommend practice are much more "point and shoot" then a pistol and require less training. Most police shootouts are within seven yards and in most cases the guy who fires first loses. It's not as easy as Hollywood would have you believe to hit something with a pistol at twenty feet. I've seen 20% of the participants of a CCW class MISS COMPLETELY a man sized target at seven yards!

5) Never point a gun at anyone without the will and intentions to use it. Hopefully the gun will be deterrent enough, and in a vast majority of cases it is. Armed private citizens stop far more crime then the police in this country without ever firing a shot.

6) Do not look for "less then lethal" ammo. For the record a lot of police officers carry shotguns loaded with #4 shot, it puts more pellets in the target area then buckshot. If you (God forbid) have to use a firearm you want to stop the assailant, you do not want an assailant returning fire. Also less then lethal injury's have resulted many times in serious lawsuits. A criminal might sue you for "destroying his livelihood" if the injuries sustained prevent him from breaking down doors or climbing thru windows.:D Absurd but it has happened, a dead criminal who was armed on your property when shot is not likely to sue.

Great post!
Study your state, county and local laws. Learn what you can and can't do. Some states have castle doctrine others require you to retreat from your own home. :eek: Plugs (limits magazine capacity) are usually a hunting requirement. Take it out & fill it to max. Check laws.

Rem 870, Moss 500 are both good choices. 12ga or 20. I would lean towards 20 with your wife in mind. Mine prefers the Beretta O/U in 20 over the 12 on the range. Life & death situation you'll never notice the diff.

DO NOT go to a range & load that sucker up with slugs & 00 and hand it to your wife, saying, "you first honey!" Many a potential gun enthusiast has been put off by the poor judgement of a .44mag Charter Arms Bulldog owner showing off his full-house loads. :rollno:

Learn firearm safety, how the weapon functions and then get some #8 target/skeet loads and go through a box or two. A hand thrower and a $3.00 box of clays will add to the enjoyment. :D Eye & ear protection are a MUST!

Use the right barrel. My Mossy 500 sports an 18.5" cylinder bore tube when it's on home defense duty. No choke, wide open, best choice (IMHO) home tube. I have to shoot real quick on those clays with that barrel. :D Remember that 10 yards is 30 feet. A full choke will make a hole a little bigger than the wad at that range. Good for turkeys & geese, not so efficient at bedroom door ranges.

Have a plan. A what if? plan. If glass breaks in the living room & dog is going off where do you go? What does she do? Does she dial 911 and grab the box of spare ammo? Surefire flashlight? Do you flip the hall light on, yell, "we've called the police and they're on the way!" Shut the bedroom door, turn off all lights within and flip the box springs/matress up in the far corner of the room? Hell, you might have a waterbed :smug: which is actually better than my defensive position but do you see what I'm talking about? Run through this in the warm light of day rather than the cold night of terror if it should occur.

Don't be ashamed. You are thinking about how to protect you and yours and some folks would roll over in sacrifice before even contemplating physical resistance. Only one person has the duty to protect that which you hold dear and that person is yourself. Call Dominos and order a pizza and dial 911. See who comes first. You're on the right track. Be safe. Oh, and do check out those sites like thehighroad.org Great people. Oleg Volk & my family have hung out together shooting & traveled to places like Knob Creek KY for thr semi-annual machinegun shoot. Good times!
 
Oh yeah, Have a Plan as Intune said.

In Kalifornia IMO the safest thing to do is: Collect your family and barricade yourself in the bedroom. If you can't get them all together, position yourself in a way that anyone who wants to harm your family has to come through you. Someone should be calling the cops while all this is happening. You should probably announce the fact that the boys in blue are coming to warn the intruders, coz you know, they have rights too. Hopefully they will leave or the cops will come quick.

If not, and this is just my personal plan at this point: No material object in my household is worth killing or dying for. I will not confront anyone who just wants to steal my stuff. BUT, if someone insists on coming up to the bedroom, that will bring me to the conclusion that my family's well being is in imminent danger and since we are getting cornered (two story house), the first person to cross the threshold will get shot. Same with the next guy, and the next. I don't have any spare ammo in my room, just extra guns:smug:
 
If not, and this is just my personal plan at this point: No material object in my household is worth killing or dying for. I will not confront anyone who just wants to steal my stuff. BUT, if someone insists on coming up to the bedroom, that will bring me to the conclusion that my family's well being is in imminent danger and since we are getting cornered (two story house), the first person to cross the threshold will get shot. Same with the next guy, and the next. I don't have any spare ammo in my room, just extra guns:smug:

+1 , I agree no MATERIAL OBJECT is worth losing a life .I'd rather have my wallet stolen than to kill a crook .
 
winchester 1300 defender. Definately a 12 guage...and the spread can be changed by the ammo, the length of the barrel, and the choke of the barrel. for the most common types...an improved cylinder choke is the widest, full choke is the tightest...modified in between. The 12 gauge is bigger than a 20 guage, and my sisters could shoot both at age 14, so you shouldn't have a problem.


Having fired literally hundreds of thousands of rounds in shotgun competitions,including skeet,trap,olympic,defensive, and patterned every choke and ammo imaginable I kind of feel like I need to straighten a few things out. Your spread can be change by shot size to a certain extent,but more choke constriction than anything else. All other things being equal, a gun with say a 28" barrel with a modified choke will pattern pretty much the same as the same gun with a 20 barrel with the same choke. That is assuming the bore sizes are the same,same ammo,etc.. A typical shotgun pattern doesn't start to open up to an effective size until about 12 to 15 yards from the muzzle. A full choke at 10 yards will pattern about the same as a cylinder bore at the same distance.So don't worry about the choke. For defensive purposes,12 or 20 ga will be plenty. I'd go with #4 buckshot. And for God sakes,identify the target first!