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Should I get a dedicated compressor

I'm trying to get a little more into tapping, so I've been using the compressor effect for that, but maybe I like the sound of the bass through the compressor better all the time.

Would a dedicated compressor sound better? Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging? And, what's a good one that's not too expensive?

Nothing wrong with playing with compression all the time. Who cares if it affects your technique in some way, you will always have it on it and it won't matter. The majority of players have their signal compressed somewhere along the chain while playing live and certainly while recording. It's really not as dramatic as some suggest.

Will it make your tapping sound better? It will probably even out the signal and give it some more consistency. How cleanly you attack, release, and transition will still matter a lot.

Yes, a dedicated compressor will probably sound better than what you are using. I don't have a specific recommendation but you will be able to get something for under 500 bucks that is great.
 
Context: I'm not a gigging bassist, but I play almost every weekend with friends.

Right now, I have a Zoom B4 and I built a little compressor effect as one of the presets. I almost never have it my setup, just go straight from my bass (P-bass clone or G&L L2000) to my Fender Rumble 40.

I'm trying to get a little more into tapping, so I've been using the compressor effect for that, but maybe I like the sound of the bass through the compressor better all the time.

Would a dedicated compressor sound better? Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging? And, what's a good one that's not too expensive?
Sorry for my blathering, but it's good to be in low gear with the coffee pot after a long week.

Lately my thing with effects in general is when I'm wondering whether I should use this or that for more than a day or two, I might just buy it and put it to work to find out. No, I'm not in the middle of a crazy spending spree and I don't have much for outboard gear (individual pedals), but occasionally I can only answer questions like yours for myself by trying something. And yes, I'm a big fan of GC's 45 day return policy!!

My latest trial has been the compressor thing. I've tried a couple of cheap ones with only a couple of controls that were really easy to put to work - one was the TC Elec's Forcefield. But much of what I read and/or hear from our peers is that a compressor is rather important, so I decided to try a "better" one.

I picked up a used Aguilar TLC and as soon as I compared this pedal against one or two other cheap comp's, I can say that I immediately recognized the TLC's transparency. The yummy tone coming out of it was the same as what I was putting into it. That was encouraging!!

Okay, so after a couple gigs with the TLC set different ways and also switched off and on through the course of a full evening, it seemed fine... but I don't sense a need for it right now with what I play. Am I keeping it for the time being? Yes :thumbsup:

One other gizmo I picked up a little while ago from a local seller is a Broughton HPF. I wondered whether these were only for audio snobs, but then I found out just how essential one of these can be when I played a gig in a very boomy room and dialing up the HPF was absolutely magical. After putting this thing to work in my own setting, I quickly found out what it does for me. The truth was in the demo.

So short answer long... If you have an itch and you feel like you need to scratch it, get a decent comp. Just keep in mind that whatever any of us recommend for you doesn't mean too much. I can talk up a pair of tennis sneakers I really love, but you won't know how they fit you until you try them on.

If the Zoom works for you, I don't know it you need to go shopping. I tried to get away from wading into the expense of trying many different pedals by picking up a Zoom B6. Even after a year or so, I've got a long way to go in terms of really getting to know it. That includes the different comps in there, but it's great to have presets handy along with lots of different effects that I can try on their own or use for building new patches.

Recordings seem to demand a lot more attention to detail with our sound, but I don't do any recording now. I'm playing with my mediocre band and any effects I use only need to be in the ballpark to bring whatever I need to a certain song. I may easily need my TLC in the future if demands change, but after trying things out, I've found that my HPF is much more of a gigging essential for me than just about anything else.
 
My approach is figuring out what need my current gear isn't satisfying, and solving for that. You should definitely try your son's compressor and compare it to the appropriate model on the Zoom. You'll learn how your gear works and gain insight into what you're trying to achieve.
This was kind of my point when first replying to this thread. He's just getting into tapping. There is a lot there to learn (control wise) and it cam be done very will without a comp. I just feel like you should "know" exactly what you want the comp to do..if he's playing consistent , hammer ons and pulls should sound pretty darn even. I'm not of the opion that comps should be used to drastically level notes. They really shine when the player already has good form and then a kiss with a compressor just kind adds little polish instead of Brute forcing notes to the same volume which can sound very booty,
very easily.

Heck, a LOT of people can't even really hear what a compressor is doing. They can hear the change n sound , but not really what's going on to change the sound. Comps with lighting fast attacks and releases are so fast even some pros really can't hear the actual compression.
This is why i suggested he put some time in learning tapping before leaning on a comp.. the more he understands the u compressed sound, the more he will hear what the comp in action. Some comps are really powerful and will make the notes sound very even no matter how hard or light you play. This can become a bandaid for technique and make it easy to develop bad habits. ( attacking the strings too hard or not enough from one note to the next and letting the comp even them out can sound super amature. Ok for live, but studio is so revealing you can't really hide technique problems without note replacement which is tedious and still not a true fix)
 
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Context: I'm not a gigging bassist, but I play almost every weekend with friends.

Right now, I have a Zoom B4 and I built a little compressor effect as one of the presets. I almost never have it my setup, just go straight from my bass (P-bass clone or G&L L2000) to my Fender Rumble 40.

I'm trying to get a little more into tapping, so I've been using the compressor effect for that, but maybe I like the sound of the bass through the compressor better all the time.

Would a dedicated compressor sound better? Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging? And, what's a good one that's not too expensive?
No, not every bass player plays through a compressor when gigging. The only time there is compression on my bass during a gig is if it's a larger venue with a dedicated FOH tech and he adds it.
 
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No, not every bass player plays through a compressor when gigging. The only time there is compression on my bass during a gig is if it's a larger venue with a dedicated FOH tech and he adds it.
I like comps for slap. They can really give some punchy low end and push those highs up. Fir anything else I really don't care about comps unless feeding into a mixing desk, then ill use the software comps available to me.
 
It's weird to start getting talked out of buying gear on this site, TBH...

That’s probably because a compressor is one of the most personal gear choices you can make. And whether or not to get a compressor, and which one to get, all depends on the player, the player’s goals, the instrument, the amp, and to some extent the genre. So most experienced compressor users tend to hesitate recommending anything as a definite buy for someone else without knowing a whole lot more.

The main things you want to consider are: (a) what your sonic goal is; (b) the degree of control you require - or just want - over the individual compression parameters; and (c) what additional features you want.

Compressors basically fall into two broad categories. “Transparent” compressors like the Keeley Bassist are primarily designed to provide clean signal limiting with minimal effect on the original tone. “Colorizing” compressors like the Doc Lloyd Photon Death Ray are designed to provide limiting along with some tone enhancement. If you’re happy with your sound already, then you’ll likely opt for a transparent compressor. If you’re looking more to add some ‘special sauce’ to your sound - or you approach compression more as an effect than you do a signal shaper - then a colorizing compressor is likely to appeal to you more.

How much control over the individual compressor parameters (threshold, ratio, attack, release, and make up gain) you want will also affect your buying decision. Virtually every modern compressor pedal will have a threshold, ratio, and gain knob. Some will have separate attack and decay controls. Others will either automate those settings and dynamically adjust them, or have them preset to a known good pair of A/D settings. And a few will provide a switch that lets you choose whether you want to set them yourself or let the compressor handle it.

I find that for bass guitar (with most compressors) I can manage quite well with just a threshold, ratio, and gain control since 125dB/sec is a “just sounds good” metric which basically means the attack time gets set roughly 75 to 100 times faster than the release time. This works for most situations. Or at least it does for me most times. Still, YMMV.

When it comes to additional features, the sky’s the limit for what’s available. Metering, internal and external side-chaining, an internal audio transformer, tilt or other EQ controls, a blend knob, effect and dry output jacks… you name it. The only limits are your imagination and your budget.

Another thing to be aware of is not all compressors are bass friendly or happy with an active bass plugged into them. Most compressors built within the last decade or so can handle and work well with anything you hand them. But some are significantly better suited for bass players than others.

Bottom line? You first need to clarify what you’re looking for a compressor to do for you. Second, you’ll want to educate yourself on how they work and what each of the parameter settings actually do and how they interact with each other. And then you’ll need to do some research to find which box looks like it’ll be right for you. Fortunately, there’s a sticky thread under TB’s Effects category where you can ask questions, read opinions and reviews, and generally jaw with the compression neophytes and geeks here at Talkbass. TB member and moderator Scubaduba also has his own review site where you can get honest and unbiased reviews of dozens of compressor pedals by an actual fellow bass player. It’s a goldmine of good info well worth visiting.

Happy compressor hunting! :thumbsup:
 
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Compression, you'll see, is apparently very diverse, with each kind of topology (feedback, feedforward, optical, FET, VCA, OTA, etc.) with a very specific tone. In practice, it's a little bit more than mental masturbation. In practice, should you like compression, in the mix there really isn't *that* much difference, and it mostly boils down to ratio, attack, release and amount of compression.

The "easiest" compressor that works well with bass is an optical compressor. It's slow and gradual. With tapping you might want something faster and more aggressive. A relatively low cost choice is the Boss LMB-3 (I think?). The bass limiter. It should have, or it sounds like it has a bit of a mid scoop (which helps with articulation). It's fast so you shouldn't really hear it working, the bass should sound a bit more cohesive.
 
Not saying it's the best way, but I use my compressor for gigging and that's it. But I never practice or rehearse with my gig rig or pedal board or compressor at all. Just plug into a little Peavey Max with an 8" speaker at home, and run though an old Peavey TNT at rehearsal.

I just sound a little better with a compressor that's it. Just a tad bit smoother and cleaner.
 
Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging?
No, not at all. The majority of bassists let the FOH mix engineer determine what compression to use on the bass in the mix. Same goes for recording - most of the time it's a mix thing. If you track with heavy compression on, you're stuck with it when you get to the mix stage--no bueno. Some players do use a little compression in their signal path in the above scenarios, but less is more.
All that said, that's more of a traditional way to look at it. For example, I don't do tapping or anything like that so I'm no expert but I can see how might actually end up needing some fairly heavy compression for that technique. You'll be "playing to the compressor" essentially. Same with tons of slapping, or if you have some wily effects going on and you need to clamp down on your level going to the board.
 
Nothing wrong with playing with compression all the time. Who cares if it affects your technique in some way, you will always have it on it and it won't matter. The majority of players have their signal compressed somewhere along the chain while playing live and certainly while recording.
Well, if you're playing while hearing noticeable effects of a compressor, you're essentially "playing to the compressor". Many (most?) players don't like to have their feel/dynamics affected that way--it really alters how you interact with the instrument. Plus there's still the factor that most live FOH engineers and absolutely most producers/mix engineers in the studio want to have control over the bass's compression at the mix stage, and not be stuck with an already compressed bass track.
 
There are those who say a compressor is mandatory. And there are those of us who never use one - I like to have complete control of my dynamics, a compressor takes some of that away. It's a personal/artistic choice - I'd suggest you try playing without one, and get one if/when you think something is missing.

I agree with micguy… I’ve played with them and without and while I do enjoy some of what they do, I’d rather let the sound engineer apply some if they feel necessary. I’ve been told I play very evenly and have a concept of dynamics so I personally don’t feel the need for one and haven’t had one on my board for a little shy of a year now. Sold my Cali 76 to help fund my hx stomp and a friend is borrowing my keeley bassist till he pays me for it :roflmao:
 
In my opinion, people who think "more practice" to develop "better technique" will obviate the need for compression are simply wrong and clearly do not understand technique, compressors, or compression.
I say "it depends".
It depends on how you are using the compressors. If you are using them for tonal changes, then there are things they can do your fingers cant. . If you are using them to level note volumes * the most common use in studios is to make up for players with bad dynamic control) , then technique can absolutely do this with no compressor needed.

Thr more even a player can play, the better they will sound when run through a compressor...
 
And that is your opinion.

My opinion echoes that of @amper except I’d limit it to purists not understanding compression or compressors. Your technique has zip to do with compression because compressors can’t compensate for poor technique. Many times a compressor will make poor technique even more obvious than it would have been otherwise. Especially when it comes to bass technique essentials such as muting and clean note attack.
 
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