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Should I get a dedicated compressor

Context: I'm not a gigging bassist, but I play almost every weekend with friends.

Right now, I have a Zoom B4 and I built a little compressor effect as one of the presets. I almost never have it my setup, just go straight from my bass (P-bass clone or G&L L2000) to my Fender Rumble 40.

I'm trying to get a little more into tapping, so I've been using the compressor effect for that, but maybe I like the sound of the bass through the compressor better all the time.

Would a dedicated compressor sound better? Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging? And, what's a good one that's not too expensive?
 
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Its a personal choice,
but know, if you learn a technique into a peice of gear, you may find yourself relying on that peice of gear forever.

I'd try to get proficient at the desired technique before committing to a peice of hardware.

Compressors bring the loud stuff down and bring the quite stiff up which can be useful for regulating dynamics, but so can your fingers.
I know I'd rather work with a bassist that has excellent control over one that needs a ton of compression to make them sound right.

Once you know the limitations of the technique, then this decision will get much easier as you will know what exactly you want the compressor to do.

Another thing about comps is they all sound a little different. Some are designed to be clean, other have tonal characteristics cooked in. It's kind of a rabbit hole once you get started down that road.

Limitation is often the gateway to creativity. The less options you have, the more you will explore the instrument and techniques to achieve the desired sounds.

Do you feel like you "need" a compressor?
If so, why? If you don't have a definitive answer to the "why" , it's very likely that you don't need one... yet.

Now if you want one just to play around with, go for it.
 
Context: I'm not a gigging bassist, but I play almost every weekend with friends.

Right now, I have a Zoom B4 and I built a little compressor effect as one of the presets. I almost never have it my setup, just go straight from my bass (P-bass clone or G&L L2000) to my Fender Rumble 40.

I'm trying to get a little more into tapping, so I've been using the compressor effect for that, but maybe I like the sound of the bass through the compressor better all the time.

Would a dedicated compressor sound better? Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging? And, what's a good one that's not too expensive?

JOOC, what comp model did you employ? I have a couple of nice comps but got lazy a few weeks back and just threw my Zoom in front of the amp. Nobody knew the difference once we got cranking.

Riis
 
A fancy analog compressor pedal that costs three times your entire Zoom pedal should sound better, no doubt. But do you really need one? If you're just jamming with friends and only use compression sparingly for tapping, it might not be worth the splurge. However, if you want it as an always-on effect, consider the sound coloration of the compressor as much as its utility.

If you're going for a top-shelf pedal, the Cali76 Compact Bass is a favorite among many bassists and should be on your shortlist. Empress Bass Compressor and DarkGlass Hyper-Luminal are also popular choices.

As for gigging: I went through a phase where I wouldn't even go to the toilet without a compressor. Lately, though, I haven't been using one. Can't say it's absolutely essential. But I'm definitely keeping my Cali76 – you never know, might change my mind later.
 
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Compression is a pretty simple effect, that doesn't really need any coloring to be effective and sound nice. If your Zoom has a working compression effect, that sounds fine to you, then it is fine. Most fancy compression pedals aim to emulate the sounds of old outboard compressors. Those usually add some amount of coloring, and have a certain set of settings. If you don't want an 1176 type sound, then you don't need an 1176 pedal.

I personally like compressors (and generally effects) that allow me to change as many settings as possible. That's why I like the MXR M87, because it has Attack, Release, Ratio, Input gain (effectively acts as a threshhold), Output gain, and most importantly for me, it has an indicator for how much it's compressing. I just love LEDs that dance around while I'm playing haha
 
They embiggen the little bass. ;)
This is a great response to a great post!

Anyway, yeah, it makes the bass seem fatter. I don't remember which compressor model I used on the Zoom.

My son has a compressor in his guitar setup -- I should give that one a try, see if it's much better than the Zoom. A dedicated one does seem like overkill for playing with friends. When I have done a show, it was just with a guitar player and a couple of singers, so a fat, in your face bass sound is probably the wrong sound anyway.

It's weird to start getting talked out of buying gear on this site, TBH...
 
There are those who say a compressor is mandatory. And there are those of us who never use one - I like to have complete control of my dynamics, a compressor takes some of that away. It's a personal/artistic choice - I'd suggest you try playing without one, and get one if/when you think something is missing.
 
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@RitterSport I think you should use a compressor when tapping while other instruments are accompanying. Whether you practice like that is up to you. That particular technique really works well with compression imho in a mix.

if the zoom isn’t enough, or it would be easier to have a separate box mid song, then I’d snag a transparent compressor. You could probably get a used Keely bass comp or similar without having to spend too much.

btw, the reason I said transparent is I assumed you would still use your zoom for eq and coloring.
 
This is a great response to a great post!

Anyway, yeah, it makes the bass seem fatter. I don't remember which compressor model I used on the Zoom.

My son has a compressor in his guitar setup -- I should give that one a try, see if it's much better than the Zoom. A dedicated one does seem like overkill for playing with friends. When I have done a show, it was just with a guitar player and a couple of singers, so a fat, in your face bass sound is probably the wrong sound anyway.

It's weird to start getting talked out of buying gear on this site, TBH...
Yeah, you somehow got responses only from the most level-headed TB members instead of the gear-hounds! :roflmao:

I have a background in production & engineering, and my hot-take is if people don't fully understand exactly what a compressor does and how it works, and WHY their tone might need one, they don't need one. Not that i'm the authority on what pedals people should or shouldn't use, but i've played without a compressor (other than one built into certain amps i've owned) for 30 years. On the other side, i do use compressors on the back end, in my DAW when i produce and mix, ALL THE TIME. It's a vital tool for me when i produce & engineer, but not necessary for playing, especially just playing with friends. A lot of what a compressor does can be mostly fixed by better technique, and then the compressor could be just the kiss on top, or not used at all.

It's really easy to take the life out of your bass if you don't set up the compressor properly.

Here's a link to my easy-ish to understand explanation of what a compressor actually does.

This post goes a little deeper into compressors. And this post goes deeper still. But i try to keep things as simple and understandable as possible.

The thing with compressors is, they do different things depending on how you set them up. You can make your bass punchier, or squash all the punch and attack out of your playing. You can make it more punchy and tight, or less punchy and more sustained. You can use it to slightly beef up the sound, or overdo it and take the life out of the sound. You can even out the levels of your playing, or completely remove all dynamics completely. Or you can use it as protection against too much clipping.

All this is a long way of saying, if you have a compressor preset on your Zoom and it sounds good while you play with your friends, you don't need another compressor, especially one you need to spend time dialing in and figuring out how to sound good. If your pedal allows you to tweak the settings of the onboard compressor, you can play with that and start hearing how the different parameters affect your tone and affect how the other parameters react to your playing.

And at the same time, just because you don't need one, it doesn't mean you shouldn't buy a decent standalone compressor and start how to use it and how to properly "hear" compression. In most cases if you can hear the compression, you've used too much compression. The trick is to learn how to hear the effect of the compressor on the tone without hearing the compression. (Of course there's always exceptions where really aggressive compression is accepted or even needed. Think Nine Inch Nails or Primus, or certain things in the realm of metal, or certain slap styles.)

Final note: There's a million YouTube videos explaining how a compressor works and how to use them, but 9 hundred thousand of them have really bad or misleading info, and sometimes downright wrong info. So really choose your source carefully. ;)
 
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Would a dedicated compressor sound better?
Probably, that's what you pay for. There's 100s if not more dedicated comps out there, and they all sound and behave differently. Trying to find the one you want/need/like may lead you into a rabbithole for the next 20 years. If you like the one in the B1Four, use it. Experiment with the others you haven't tried them, and if you find all of them lacking somehow, worry about getting a dedicated one. If you want to ask for a replacement here on TB, just mention what you're using (and what it's trying to emulate if you know) and what tone you're after. People will surely help you out. Just my 2 semi-tones.

Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging?
I can assure you, no, they do not. I've gigged with both my prog and my reggae band for 20 years without a compressor. I want access to those dynamics, and have learned how to use them properly. My HPF seems to be sufficient. I've never had any complaints about my tone, so why fix something that's not broken? If FOH would ask me to put one on, I can. But there's never been a need so far.

Had your question been 'do slap players use a comp live' then the answer is 'most likely' but I don't doubt there are exceptions. And not every style requires a compressor. Technique and the bass you play are factors too. And some people just don't like em, no matter what they try. To each his/her own =]

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Context: I'm not a gigging bassist, but I play almost every weekend with friends.

Right now, I have a Zoom B4 and I built a little compressor effect as one of the presets. I almost never have it my setup, just go straight from my bass (P-bass clone or G&L L2000) to my Fender Rumble 40.

I'm trying to get a little more into tapping, so I've been using the compressor effect for that, but maybe I like the sound of the bass through the compressor better all the time.

Would a dedicated compressor sound better? Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging? And, what's a good one that's not too expensive?
USE the zoom pedal and try the 1176 compressor block. If you can hear the effects of the compressor, in general, it's compressing too much. Adjust the threshold or comp input incrementally until you can't tell if the compressor is working or not. At that point, the compressor is likely to be doing its job properly.

I'd suggest you really have a thorough understanding of how and why you need a dedicated compressor before you go down that rabbit hole. I've used the compressors in Zoom pedals (B3n, B6, G6n) for years and find they are perfectly serviceable, though setting them can be a bit of a challenge.
 
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Context: I'm not a gigging bassist, but I play almost every weekend with friends.

Right now, I have a Zoom B4 and I built a little compressor effect as one of the presets. I almost never have it my setup, just go straight from my bass (P-bass clone or G&L L2000) to my Fender Rumble 40.

I'm trying to get a little more into tapping, so I've been using the compressor effect for that, but maybe I like the sound of the bass through the compressor better all the time.

Would a dedicated compressor sound better? Does every bass player basically play through one, at least when gigging? And, what's a good one that's not too expensive?
I think the Seymour Duncan studio bass is a great bargain for a compressor pedal if you don’t want to spend cali76 type money. It’s very good considering the price. And yes pretty much anytime bass is audible on a recording or through a big professional PA system there is compression on it. Compressors help bass have a more consistent level and because the level is more consistent you can then turn the bass up more in the mix. But there is a sweet spot. You don’t want to overcompress and suck the life out of your sound. That’s why for professional recordings compression is typically done in stages. As in there’s a little compression with a pedal on the way in, a little compression on the Channel (typically a multi band compressor is used at this point to keep the low end solid) then there’s typically a glueing compressor applied to the entire mix either to the master bus and or during mastering. So for pro stuff it’s not really one compressor that is compressing a lot, it’s multiple compressors each compressing a little bit.
 
This is a great response to a great post!

Anyway, yeah, it makes the bass seem fatter. I don't remember which compressor model I used on the Zoom.

My son has a compressor in his guitar setup -- I should give that one a try, see if it's much better than the Zoom. A dedicated one does seem like overkill for playing with friends. When I have done a show, it was just with a guitar player and a couple of singers, so a fat, in your face bass sound is probably the wrong sound anyway.

It's weird to start getting talked out of buying gear on this site, TBH...

My approach is figuring out what need my current gear isn't satisfying, and solving for that. You should definitely try your son's compressor and compare it to the appropriate model on the Zoom. You'll learn how your gear works and gain insight into what you're trying to achieve.