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Should I get this Fender?

I'd advise going into a music store and sitting down and trying a few basses out. Listen to the tones from the different types. Play a few different body types and see which feels most comfortable for you to play. Try different strap positions as far as comfortability, some like to play low, some high.

Feel the difference between different styles of necks. Some people like thin necks, some like beefy necks.

~r~

+1

To the original poster, it's too bad the auction for your desired bass is ending soon. You really have to take a little time at the music store and see what fits you. You may find the wider neck of the Precision is more to your liking than the thinner Jazz neck.
 
Not knocking the Squier or SX's but go with the Fender. You will have to let us see some piccys of your purchase.

I'm one of the bigget SX and Squire fans there are but I'm afraid I Have to go with the Fender as well. The reason I say that is because as a newbie there is just too much chance, mods and setup needed to bring your bargain up to snuff. I think it's just expecting too much for a noob to be able to know what to do to get an SX sounding better than one of the standard basses.

Which brings up my second point, and that is I'd suggest when she goes to a music store to finally look at basses personally that she looks at the Ibanez selection as well. I say that based upon her selection of music. Ibanez is like the other standard bass for a modern sound that you can't go wrong with as well.

And lastly for the same reasons I'd suggest considering starting on a 5 string. The idea that somehow beginners should all start on a 4 string and move up to a 5 or 6 later is just plain wrong. Yeah, it was true for me, but that was because there weren't 5 stringers when I began learning bass. A 5 will not give you limitations when doing modern covers. A 5 teaches you to play across the neck. A 5 forces you to have a more correct hand position. And a 5 not only give you a few lower notes but also lets you get lower notes at higher fret positions without shifting your hands. And finally you don't have to play the B string if you don't want to. Use it for a thumb rest and it plays just like a 4.
 
Just a warning about the SX basses, they have fairly large necks which makes them a bit more difficult to play than a MIM Fender Jazz. However, the SX shortscales might be an option for you. Very easy to play and light on the shoulder.

That said, you certainly cannot go wrong with the Fender Jazz MIM.
 
While I think P Basses are a lot more representative of popular bass tone than J Basses, J Basses are easier to play for 99% of people and probably have a slightly wider tonal range--although in truth most people just run the two pickups as an RWRP pair all the time.

Eventually I'd encourage you to check out a P + Soapbar like a Fender Deluxe P Bass if you dig the Fender thing after this first purchase... I think they have a lot more to offer than a standard J. But that's just me.

Just go play several basses at a music store. You probably can't go wrong with a Fender Jazz as long as you play it first so you know if it sucks or not--I've ordered several from MF back in my early days of playing bass and I sent the majority of them right back, especially the MIMs.
 
Well im a fender man personaly, but I dont like fender prices, for a beginer i would definatly say go for a squire there great basses to learn with, usaly can be almost half the price of a fender mim or mij new and often the new ones have vary close build quality, i have a squire vintage jazz and I like playing it better than my fender p dulx the only thing about squires is that they often need a good setup but get a book about it from your local library and learn how to set it up yourself it will be a great learning experience and save you some cash
 
As I said in my original post, I'm in Australia, and basically our prices are double the US prices. The conversion rate is pretty good at the moment (AU$1 = US$0.92) but it would be pretty hard to buy from a US store because the shipping cost would be nuts.
Is this your Fender?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Fender-Jazz-...l_Instruments_Instruments?hash=item3a5442734b

Looks pretty sharp.

That's the kind of bass you keep forever if you stick with it.

The nice thing about buying a Fender is that it will hold it's resale value down the line if you decide to sell.

Yep, that's the auction. I might wait and see if it gets relisted though, I don't want to rush this purchase.

Are you going to get an amp?

Of course, but I figure getting the actual bass itself is the first priority.

id say find a used (not sure how the used market is in the AU) pbass or jbass, well a MM sub would be awesome too but id think that could be hard to find in the AU.

At the moment I've been looking around eBay, at the moment there seems to be a lot of cheap Korean no-name brands, and 5 or 6 string models which are not what I want at the moment. There's a few music magazines which advertise tutors and used gear too, so the next time I hit the CBD I'll grab a few of those and have a look.

Thanks for the food for thought guys. Yes I was definitely going to look at Ibanez as well. I seem to see a lot of people knocking Squiers (both the basses and guitars) and that's made me a bit hesitant, but I am a newbie so what do I know :hmm: as for SX basses I actually haven't seen them advertised in the Aussie online shops. (Invalid Link Removed gives you a picture of what's available here and the prices we pay new, just convert the AU$ to your local currency). Definitely a lot of food for thought. I do know a couple of bass player friends but they are busy with full-time work. I will definitely ask for their help with set-up and things.

Thanks for all the advice guys, I do appreciate it (and I'm sure other new lurkers would, too).
 
Dont take this the wrong way, but you cant even play yet and you are looking at Fenders?

You will miss out on the very important and magical journey where you will go through a few instruments and learn how they work and how to look after them etc. Its imperative to have this sort of knowledge and appreciation before you go buying expensive gear.

Furthermore, there are many more items in the chain that will make an impact on the percieved quality of your playing / tone other than the bass. Get a cheap but functional bass, learn how to set it up / modify it / restring it / maintain it and put the rest of the money on amplification.

Good Luck
 
Dont take this the wrong way, but you cant even play yet and you are looking at Fenders?

You will miss out on the very important and magical journey where you will go through a few instruments and learn how they work and how to look after them etc. Its imperative to have this sort of knowledge and appreciation before you go buying expensive gear.

Furthermore, there are many more items in the chain that will make an impact on the percieved quality of your playing / tone other than the bass. Get a cheap but functional bass, learn how to set it up / modify it / restring it / maintain it and put the rest of the money on amplification.

Good Luck

No offense taken, I am here for advice! I did consider that possibility, and was considering starting with Invalid Link Removed for fun, but that Bronco Bass has a 30" scale length, and the reviews on TB for it have been mixed.

My train of thought was to start with a solid investment, but I'll sit on things for a bit longer and look around more.
 
No offense taken, I am here for advice! I did consider that possibility, and was considering starting with Invalid Link Removed for fun, but that Bronco Bass has a 30" scale length, and the reviews on TB for it have been mixed.

My train of thought was to start with a solid investment, but I'll sit on things for a bit longer and look around more.


The Bronco is in the right sort of price range, but it is quite an 'original' design. I would highly advise you to stick with tried and tested designs, for example a Precision or Jazz copy at the normal 34" scale.

The other advantage to cheap tried and tested gear is they are easily upgradable with 'plug n play' parts. Also, they can serve as a backup when you eventually buy something new.

Embrace the never ending journey for bass gear. Start off small and learn as much as you can. Welcome aboard.
 
Combee - you're getting some good advice here, and some that should be taken with a few grains of salt. I don't post that often on the BG side here, but here's my two cents on the matter...My opinion on the options given so far.

First, I don't see anything wrong with going for a quality instrument right off the bat. There are many pro's to starting with something cheaper, but many con's as well. I started on a cheap Hamer Slammer P-bass that was (literally) made of plywood, had no sustain (not in a cool, motown sorta vibe either) and was hard to play even after numerous setup tweaks. I had played guitar for many years before that, so I had some knowledge about how to set an instrument up, which helped... but when I graduated to a better quality Yamaha after about a year it was like night and day. Things that I was struggling to play before on the Hamer became accessible very quickly once my fingers didn't have to work so hard.

Yes, the initial cash outlay is less with a cheaper instrument - but another way to look at it is that the resale value on a Fender (if for whatever reason you wind up not pursuing bass) will be higher than something entry-level. Especially if you're buying the Fender used in the first place. If you buy a cheap instrument new, then sell it, you'll lose money. If you buy the used Fender, and then sell it - you'll probably be able to recoup what you paid, or close to it.

Having said that - I'll add a +1 for Ibanez. Check them out, I picked up an older SR205 last year that kills. Paid 200 bucks for it. Every bit as good as that Yamaha (my first "good" bass from many years ago) that I paid 5x the money for. The higher end models are even nicer - if you can afford an SR504 there's no reason that bass couldn't be with you for a long time.

Re: hand size - that's a funny thing sometimes. I took an old GF bass shopping once, she had tiny hands (I mean Tiny) but her forefinger-to-pinky stretch was a good inch more than mine. We were originally looking at short-scale models, but after we did that little test we realized she could handle a 34" scale no problem.

(She wound up buying a guitar instead, in case you're wondering. Should have been a sign :eyebrow:)

The thing to do is try out everything you can, different neck sized, scale lengths, and find something that feels comfortable - and then you have a starting point and know what to look for.

Okay, last point, on 1 vs 2 pickups.... In addition to the tone options (more bass from the neck pickup, more treble/mids from the bridge) two pickups can be used to even out frequency response/dynamics...like a form of natural compression. To me it's one more reason to have two. On the other hand, I really like the big, punchy sound of a P pickup - and some really good players get a wide range of tones out of that one pickup. My main bass for gigging right now is a Godin with a P/J setup... If I want a P sound, there it is. Or I can blend in the bridge pickup just a bit to even things out, and generally get all the other sounds you'd expect out of two pickups. Overall it's a bit darker sounding than a J when both pu's are wide open, but it's a cool option if you're on the fence about getting a Precision or something with more versatility.

Hope some of all that helps, Good Luck shopping!
 
And saying a fender is going to come in perfectly set up? Cmon fender guys, get a grip


No matter what bass you buy, 99% of the time its going to need a set up. Thats part of buying a new bass.

I don't know about where you folks all live but the G.C., Sam Ash, and all the shops here will do an initial set up on any guitar or bass you buy absolutely free of charge. All you have to do is ask them to set it up for you.
 
OK the Fender ended up being sold, not to me, for AU$550.

So I'm looking around again. I managed to go into a music store (Allan's Music) and had a nice chat to one of the sales dudes there.

Are there any opinions on the Ibanez ATKs (in particular ATK300 and ATK310) and the Fender Jaguar bass?
 
I'd recommend shopping used and sticking with Fender. At least here in the States, if you buy wisely on a used Fender you're in good shape if you decide to switch to something else. Someone's going to respond that the same is true of most basses, but I think it's especially true of Fender. They maintain their value better than most.

I'm a P-Bass guy, but if a Jazz Bass is calling you, give it a try.

Good luck.

KO
 
If i was in your shoes i would check out a squeir classic 60s jazz bass...

it's cheapoer than fender, yet you get a great deal and in the future you can upgrade pickups/bridge...

go to shops, better if you can bring along someone who allready plays bass... and just try them all... eventually you'll find a bass that appeals to you.

good luck!!
 
OK the Fender ended up being sold, not to me, for AU$550.

So I'm looking around again. I managed to go into a music store (Allan's Music) and had a nice chat to one of the sales dudes there.

Are there any opinions on the Ibanez ATKs (in particular ATK300 and ATK310) and the Fender Jaguar bass?

My advice is forget eBay, shop on the talkbass.com classifieds. That way, your chances of getting a quality instrument that is already set up well are increased dramatically, since it was owned by a TB member.

Do a search for ATK and Jaguar. I'm a Fender Precision guy, but I played a 5-string ATK that I really liked (sound and feel), and I liked the Jaguars as well.

I agree that getting a good quality first bass is *really* important, and if you can swing getting a Fender, do it. My first bass was a Sears Harmony P bass that had a tree branch for a neck, a thin plywood body, crap electronics, frets that stuck out from the sides of the neck, and a bow in the neck that could not be adjusted out, so the intonation was way off when played beyond the 10th fret. I was 14 or 15 and didn't have a clue how to set it up, or that it even needed to be set up, and no one offered. When I was 17 I got an entry level Peavey, and the difference between the two was like the difference between a toy water pistol and an AK47.

I have played the new Squier Vintage Modifieds and Classic Vibe basses, and they are great, fantastic value, and I don't shy away from recommending one of these whatsoever. *Any* bass, new or used, high quality or entry level, could come with set up issues, but the likelihood of that does tend to decrease as the price of the instrument increases. That's why playing before you pay is so important, especially for a first time instrument. However, to take advantage of the currency exchange, I get why you want to buy online - I did that quite a bit two years ago when the CDN dollar was at par with the US dollar. I had reasonably good luck, but most of my buying was here on TB via the Classifieds. I totally recommend this, as chances are *much* greater that the bass will arrive already set up, with decent strings, and that it will have been cared for properly. It will also be used, so your investment is protected, and if you want to resell it, you can likely get back what you paid for it.

Here are a few good deals - I don't know the sellers, but price wise they seem to be good deals - I don't think you'd be going wrong with any of these:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598749
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=597999
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=599792
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=591037
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=599226
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=599649
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=599710
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598749

Good luck, and promise to come back and post pictures of what you chose!