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Should I split? (Noise content)

TaySte_2000

TaySte_2000

Jun 23, 2001
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Houston, TX
#1
So I stupidly bought a PT Mini on an impulse and didn't realise that more pedalboard space = more want for pedals. So initially I thought it could be my "Fun with Tube Amps" board which basically means 2-3 fuzz's and 2-3 boosts :D but a few new pedals have caught my eye in the noise world geiger counter, defiance, ultra lord, pollen etc etc.

So I'm thinking maybe I should put the 3-4 pedals that are on my big board that are pre parallel loops, basically these are my favourite effects that get the most use but are in the more tame end of the spectrum, CPD, Huck, Barge Blender, Octron 2. Now these are the front end of my pedal board, so it wouldn't be messing with my signal chain to put those on a new board. The signal would run as normal and give me quite a bit of space on my big board which I don't know is a good thing or bad thing. :D

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I think the dis-satisfaction of my board comes from the noise side, it sounds cool but it is sorta boring I can't modulate enough things with my feet and I can't play over it if I'm bending down tweaking knobs.

The noise side is TF Mobius (Loop)Catalinbread V8 into Subdecay Fembot into Catalinbread Valcoder into Subdecay Gurgle and Moan (/Loop) into Subdecay Prometheus into Subdecay Noisebox into Subdecay Echobox proto.

The v8 is used as a sound source it's an alright fuzz but not my favourite so I'm thinking of replacing that with one of these

http://tsp.bigcartel.com/product/pollen

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The Fembot is great and is only getting replaced if the production model has an expr for the freq which will pretty much solve all my modulating by foot problems.

Valcoder is a great trem but I think I need something either tap tempo or triggered so that I can get more rythmic sounds, basically this is the modulation part of pedal synth setup and just choppy is a bit boring so if anyone knows of a modulator that does everything from trem to pitch vibrato that I can find a way of syncing with my drummer

Gurgle and moan act like an eq allowing me to remove massive amount of bass, mid or treble from the noise signal I could let this go no problem.

So advice and opinions etc would be great
 
#2
I wish I could help you, but you lost me at
'So I'm thinking maybe I should put the 3-4 pedals that are on my big board that are pre parallel loops, basically these are my favourite effects that get the most use.........'

do you mean use the PTmini as like your 'essential' board and use the big board as you 'bolt-on board', so that together you'd have a super-super big board, but this way would make it easier to transport (well, kinda) as well as giving you more space on the Noise board?

when i ran out of space on my old board, i wanted to get a second so i could just link them together, but instead I just sold some pedals AND got a bigger board, but i think for you to get a bigger board, you may as well buy a square guitar case and modify it ;)

by the way, I will show people (ie: my gf and my mum) your pedalboard when they tell my I have too many pedals.
You, Sir, can lead the way.
 
#4
job's a good-un then. you already have the PTmini, so you're half-way there :) not just go get those luscious pedals, unfortunately I cant advise you there, coz as mentioned elsewhere most of the stuff you already own would me lost on me.
but hell, if you've got the money to spend, spend it!

I really want a pedaltrain, but they cost so much compared to my Gator board, but the gator is really really heavy when loaded with pedals, and theres no where to hide power/jack leads.

when i gig, i often take an 'essential' board - literaly a plank of wood i cut down to be small enough to fit about 5 pedals, a small power supply and its small enough to fit in a tool box that i can put my leads, straps, tape ect in.

I'd take more, but a) im lazy and b) i get paranoid about people stealing my stuff when im not around and c) if/when something screws up (as it seems to every gig) i've only got 5 pedals to worry about - although last gig, it screwed up with 5 pedals, only when i got home did i realise the power jack for my basswah had become unplugged

I really envy you, my guitarist had a go at me once for having too many pedals, but he's just jealous (he only uses 3 -4 if you count the tuner he occasionally bothers to use)
 
#5
Have you considered a GIG-FX chopper or other foot-controlled trem?

Another idea that I've been doing lately, is that I built a feedback loop (floop) pedal that has a Send/Return for the feedback path as well as the signal path and put a volume pedal in it, so I have foot-controlled feedback level. That combined with just switching pedals on/off in the floop really gives me a lot of variations in the noise. The feedback amount is really the "master sound adjuster" in any floop, or so has been my experience.

I know this is really boring compared to your other fun effects, but if you're going to be using floops, you should really consider a graphic EQ. Drastic EQ settings in a floop are a great way to liven it up. Plus, by stomping it on off in different patterns that can give you some rythm.

If you post your signal chain again, I might be able to come up with some other ideas. I don't remember which pedals are in the floop, and which are before it and which are parallel to it. The Prometheus on a down-sweep should create some excellent bass-blasts when switched on in a floop.

edit: I love feedback loops and noise.

edit again: bring back the PDS2000. ;)
 
#6
Just the man ;)

I was reading some of your posts over at noiseguide interesting regarding the sag units since the defiance has caught my attention

Signal chain is (Oh gawd!)

Bass - CPD - Barge VFB (Loop)Huck V2(/Loop) - Octron 2 - LS2

(Loop A)Catalinbread Hyperpak - Sinister Analog Soul Provider - Boomstick Bottom Feeder - Subdecay Quasar - Subdecay Echobox (/Loop A)

(Loop B)TF Mobius (Loop)Catalinbread V8 into Subdecay Fembot into Catalinbread Valcoder into Subdecay Gurgle and Moan (/Loop) into Subdecay Prometheus into Subdecay Noisebox into Subdecay Echobox proto(/Loop B)

So you can see how I'd split it just before the LS-2 with the PT Mini, maybe add my Hellbaby in there as well.

I just want to add in terms of the Noisebox and Prometheus on that noise side I'm happy with those as pedals and modulators for my source audio whether that be bass or the v8's oscilation.
 
#7
DosiYanarchy said:
I really want a pedaltrain, but they cost so much compared to my Gator board, but the gator is really really heavy when loaded with pedals, and theres no where to hide power/jack leads.
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Something else we've got in common. :(

The PT boards are pretty heavy anyway once you've got them in the flightcase. I think they're doing them with soft cases now but TBH I'm always wary of sticking all those expensive little boxes in a soft case. Another reason why I want to shift the Gator.
 
#8
TaySte_2000 said:
Just the man ;)

I was reading some of your posts over at noiseguide interesting regarding the sag units since the defiance has caught my attention

Signal chain is (Oh gawd!)

Bass - CPD - Barge VFB (Loop)Huck V2(/Loop) - Octron 2 - LS2

(Loop A)Catalinbread Hyperpak - Sinister Analog Soul Provider - Boomstick Bottom Feeder - Subdecay Quasar - Subdecay Echobox (/Loop A)

(Loop B)TF Mobius (Loop)Catalinbread V8 into Subdecay Fembot into Catalinbread Valcoder into Subdecay Gurgle and Moan (/Loop) into Subdecay Prometheus into Subdecay Noisebox into Subdecay Echobox proto(/Loop B)

So you can see how I'd split it just before the LS-2 with the PT Mini, maybe add my Hellbaby in there as well.

I just want to add in terms of the Noisebox and Prometheus on that noise side I'm happy with those as pedals and modulators for my source audio whether that be bass or the v8's oscilation.
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Yeah, I think the splitoff plan makes 100% sense. And, it gives you room to address your complaint that you don't have enough foot control over the noise stuff. I think you need at least 1, maybe 2 more expression controlled (or maybe PEEP-controlled?) operations.

I think feedback amount control is pretty essential, so maybe you can find an expression (or photo-eye) controlled feedback looper, or have your Mobius modded for that.

It would be cool to get expression control over the fembot's oscillator, or trem speed. The GigFX like I mentioned earlier, or maybe a custom 4ms Trem Lune would probably do you well.

I think you also might want to bring either the Prometheus or the Noisebox into the floop. Envelope filters (especially down-sweeping ones) act cool in floops. The Prometheus would be nice in the floop because if you have the LFO of the Prometheus and the LFO of yoru trem interacting that can be fun. You'd lose the abilty to do mad filter sweeps of the noise that's already coming out, but you might be able to do that with the noisebox, or you could get a wah.

I'm just throwing out ideas here.
 
#9
I like tsp stuff, but I'm not sure a non-stomp, variable-oscillator with no expression inputs is going to fix anything for you.

I would think that something like this
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"ADJUST" controls the tone, the distortion level or the pitch of the oscillator. It can change depending upon the selection of the toggle switches

The CV PEDAL jack can be connected to a CV pedal for "ADJUST" alterations. If you have a foot CV pedal, you can control the "ADJUST" with your foot.
 
#10
I like the Peep idea but would have to decide on a pedal it either controls or that it has already as part of it ala TBD without buying a Devi fuzz :p

As I've said if I could control the fembot I could vary pitch maybe a Third Hand is in order but I'll check with Subdecay tonight on the ETA of the Fembot but it's got to be at least 2 months off as the Prometheus is doing amazing.

The gurgle and moan makes up for the prometheus not being in the loop they are the same base filter so all the squeals and stuff you'd get from a prometheus you get with the gurgle and I much prefer having the Prom S&H the noise that be part of it.

I have looked at a Trem Lune before but dismissed it due to the size.

What I considered originally but its still to big to implement is find a fuzz that reacts to your volume or tone knob in it's oscillation and put a volume pedal or modded volume to tone pedal infront of it and control the pitch like that but could never confirm it would work.

What do you think for my sound source? the Pollen? or have you seen that Dwarfcraft Oscilator?
 
#11
grygrx said:
I like tsp stuff, but I'm not sure a non-stomp, variable-oscillator with no expression inputs is going to fix anything for you.

I would think that something like this
88sofs.jpg


"ADJUST" controls the tone, the distortion level or the pitch of the oscillator. It can change depending upon the selection of the toggle switches

The CV PEDAL jack can be connected to a CV pedal for "ADJUST" alterations. If you have a foot CV pedal, you can control the "ADJUST" with your foot.
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YES that's a way to go

Now to find soundclips
 
#17
I like that LAL, that's a good call, grygrx. Maybe also consider pairing it with one of these, mod'd for CV instead of expression:
http://martoneaudio.com/LfoModBox.htm
LFO-MOD-BOX.jpg


I understand that you're trying to go with the whole analog/subtractive synth approach, but what about the floop approach? I mean, you don't need a "sound source" per se if you just kick on that floop it should start squealing and sputtering depending on what you have in there.

Oh, what about a copilot android. I think those have exp control, and can go down to LFO like rates. Pairing those with one of the Robot Factory mod boxes would be tight.
 
#18
Oh I remember now.... you want a

Jacques SG-2 Singing Geisha
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3- THE SINGING FUNCTION
The Singing function of the Geisha is a musical instrument per se.
This means that it is totally independent and that you don't even need a guitar to play it. The Singing Geisha is an analog monophonic synthesizer which notes are determined by the position of the rocker pedal. You reach the highest note when depressed and the lowest when in back position.The frequencies range from 82,4Hz-(E) to 1319Hz-(e3), e3 being the highest possible note. We chose E ( mi in French) as extremes because this note naturally goes with standard guitar tuning, making jamming along with the Geisha a breeze.
But the upper range can be set , thanks to the sing range pot, from 329,6Hz-(e1) to 1319Hz-(e3) and any note between.

Micro tonal notes can also be hit as the analog nature of the geisha makes that there always is a note between 2 notes ---until the Planck length but this is another story---.

A short range makes it easy to play melodies as a long range will gives more portamento impressions , great to highlight a guitar solo.
The Singing function in itself will gives hours of musical fun, and, while serious training is needed to play simultaneously one melody on the Geisha and its counterpoint on the guitar, it is an easy player from day one, thanks to its ultra-precise opto-electronic mechanism.

Of course , the Singing volume is adjustable in order to mix it with your guitar to your taste.
 
#19
Here's the only feasible option left then; sack the drummer, buy a drum machine, sell all year 'noise' gear,and buy crap load of Moogs! Sync the moogs to the drum machine via a midi to cv unit, are your as good as gold! :bassist:

Edit; you'll need a bypass strip too, moogs bypass suck :)
 
#20
speak_onion said:
I like that LAL, that's a good call, grygrx. Maybe also consider pairing it with one of these, mod'd for CV instead of expression:
http://martoneaudio.com/LfoModBox.htm
LFO-MOD-BOX.jpg


I understand that you're trying to go with the whole analog/subtractive synth approach, but what about the floop approach? I mean, you don't need a "sound source" per se if you just kick on that floop it should start squealing and sputtering depending on what you have in there.

Oh, what about a copilot android. I think those have exp control, and can go down to LFO like rates. Pairing those with one of the Robot Factory mod boxes would be tight.
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Well I already have the feedback loop going on that I can control the volume of but its a different sound to what I can get with just the pedals and I like having both.

I'm not really sold on Copilot stuff I had the Antenna and thought it was terrible but that was before the new bass mod for it, but you do make a good point for the Robot Factory and Android together if it just goes crazy and blips all over the place like a programmable sequence that would take care of my needs I think other than changing the sequence mid song.

The Roger Linn Adrenelinn always springs to mind with its various controls and slicer feature but its not really the way I want to go but it does have all the syncable features to work with a drummer
 

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