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Shroeder Cabs ?

#25
RS said:
I can compare to an Aggie DB112 to the PL115 with the B&C driver. The Aggies has these pronounced growly low mids and some force bass. The Schro is as bassy or more so, the horn sounds better, relatively slight but broad mid-hump.
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Interesting. I owned 2 15+L cabs, and neither was tuned as low (to my ear) as any other 12 I have owned (which includes: Mesa Scout, EA Wizzy, Mesa PH, Epi UL2, TC12, GB Neox among others). I have never heard the Aggies, but considering their larger box size (compared to the Schro), your impression surprises me.
 
#26
I just sold my 610L a couple of days ago, and I have been gigging it for 3+ years and been very happy with it. I think it sounded relatively even actually, even though there was no real deep bass. Enough to make it work very well though.

I expected a low mid bump, but when I got it it was a real mid-mid bump, honky mids. I was surprised to learn that they have no padding inside...

Nevertheless, great cab, great customer service IME, works well on the gig. I sold it because my back gets older every day, and I wanted something that weighs less. :)
 
#27
lomo said:
Interesting. I owned 2 15+L cabs, and neither was tuned as low (to my ear) as any other 12 I have owned (which includes: Mesa Scout, EA Wizzy, Mesa PH, Epi UL2, TC12, GB Neox among others). I have never heard the Aggies, but considering their larger box size (compared to the Schro), your impression surprises me.
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Let me clarify - the original 15+L was a smaller box with a Celestion speaker. It was very mid-heavy, but I found I could dial in some lows and suck out some mids (esp. with my Markbass VLE - which made it sound more pleasing solo. In the mix, I would roll off the VLE until I heard that mid cut. Definitely still not a deep low end though.

I now have the Schroeder PL115. It is a big box (deeper) and the B&C driver has more low end and less mids vs the L+15. Comparing the PL115 to the Aggie, it has as much low end as that that cab and is way louder. Both have a slight mid punch but not the in same range. I really like how the db112 sounds with my jazz basses but prefer the Schroeder for other basses and lugging around. Both have enough lows for me but are obviously not comparable to the lows from a big deep cab.
 
#30
lomo said:
My bad RS-I didn't catch that yours is a PL. I have no experience with those.
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Sure, np. Those 15+L are punchy to the point of being boxy/honky (somewhat similar to Bag Ends) but they can be shaped a bit with EQ. The newer PL115s are a bit more neutral/lower voiced but as CyberSynder says, the idea behind the Jorg's cabs are to be light, loud, and mix friendly.

The only other cab of his I've had experience with was an early 1210. The tone was way wacky but I could see how it would cut, but I am not sure how great it would have sounded over all. I think Jorg's done a good job of refining his cabinets (based on my experience with this cab vs his newer ones).
 
#31
diglo said:
If you just need a lightweight cab, great! But, too much mids going on for me. THe BMF series sounded better to my ears, but was never satisfied with sound. I went back to a heavy cab.
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There was only one Schroeder cab I ever heard that I liked, the 2x12single 10 thing, the rest were boxy, honky, and horrid, requiring MASSIVE amounts of EQ to fix, and by that time all your headroom's gone.

lomo said:
Don't expect it to sound like any other 412. Expect a midrange bazooka that, compared to most 412s, will be shy in the lows under 300Hz. It'll be insanely loud, easy to hear in a mix, but not very pillowy or foundational.
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Bazooka midrange, that describes it perfectly. Loud, yes; good sound, no.

Zonked said:
Well the light weight is definitely a strong selling point, but I also want a thick, punchy, articulate sound that is not harsh on top. Anyone else have experience with Schroeder cabs and more specifically...the new Schroeder 412L? What are are the inherent sound characteristics? How is the cab voiced? Thanks everyone.
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Thick, punchy, definitely does not describe any Schroeder cab I've heard. Midrange bazooka does... :D

MG Bass said:
Bergantino NV412 - don't think there is any other 412 better. IMO of course!
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Like all his cabs, they are ALL the best in class, like the man himself.

MysticMichael said:
I've never heard a Schroeder cab that I actually liked - and I've played a couple, and heard several. Way too "boxy" sounding for my taste. And not nearly enough lows.
MM
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Yup. Midrange bazookas...I LOVE that quote.

Cheers,
Cameron
 
#32
RS said:
Sure, np. Those 15+L are punchy to the point of being boxy/honky (somewhat similar to Bag Ends) but they can be shaped a bit with EQ. The newer PL115s are a bit more neutral/lower voiced but as CyberSynder says, the idea behind the Jorg's cabs are to be light, loud, and mix friendly.

The only other cab of his I've had experience with was an early 1210. The tone was way wacky but I could see how it would cut, but I am not sure how great it would have sounded over all. I think Jorg's done a good job of refining his cabinets (based on my experience with this cab vs his newer ones).
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I'd love to hear an expanded comparison of the Bag End S15-D and the Schroeder PL115 ... particularly their tone and efficiency attributes. The S15-D (often paired with a GK 800RB head) is a semi standard among fellow blues bassists in my circles and sounds particularly good with flatwound strung P-Basses. I've almost pulled the trigger on one several times but have held back due to their low power handling capacity and 8 ohms only configuration. I was thinking that a 4 ohm Schroeder PL115 might just be the ticket for me. What sayeth ye? Thanks.
 
#33
pbassnut said:
I'd love to hear an expanded comparison of the Bag End S15-D and the Schroeder PL115 ... particularly their tone and efficiency attributes. The S15-D (often paired with a GK 800RB head) is a semi standard among fellow blues bassists in my circles and sounds particularly good with flatwound strung P-Basses. I've almost pulled the trigger on one several times but have held back due to their low power handling capacity and 8 ohms only configuration. I was thinking that a 4 ohm Schroeder PL115 might just be the ticket for me. What sayeth ye? Thanks.
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Bag Ends are way underrated power-wise. You could run a GK 800RB without farting out until you hit some extreme volume. The Schroeder would be lighter, more efficient (louder) and with the B&C driver may have a slight bit more natural lows - but the PL115s are much more expensive than a used BE. I don't think you could go wrong with either choice, imo.
 
#35
RS said:
Bag Ends are way underrated power-wise. You could run a GK 800RB without farting out until you hit some extreme volume. The Schroeder would be lighter, more efficient (louder) and with the B&C driver may have a slight bit more natural lows - but the PL115s are much more expensive than a used BE. I don't think you could go wrong with either choice, imo.
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Thanks for the good info, RS. The reason I'm a bit skittish about the power handling capacity of the Bag End S15-D cabinets is that a couple of my bass player buddies have blown the original speaker in theirs and I've read reviews of them on the 'net that suggested that they're easier than average to blow with too much power and/or too much low end EQ dialed in.
 
#36
I can't say if that is true or not, but I think it is possible. I ran a pair thru a PLX 1602/Demeter pre-amp rig (1600 watts) and had to really crank it to make them distort. Usually I had the volume and gain around 3-4 for most gigs for my averagely loud band and had no issues. The PL115 are rated higher but I've never cranked the volume through mine.
 
#37
RS said:
I can't say if that is true or not, but I think it is possible. I ran a pair thru a PLX 1602/Demeter pre-amp rig (1600 watts) and had to really crank it to make them distort. Usually I had the volume and gain around 3-4 for most gigs for my averagely loud band and had no issues. The PL115 are rated higher but I've never cranked the volume through mine.
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I would imagine that having a pair of them probably helped as they are very efficient cabinets and there's kind of an additive SPL and perceived low end effect when stacking a pair of them. Both instances I mentioned of S15-Ds blowing were single cabinet usage.

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The Schroeder would be lighter, more efficient (louder) and with the B&C driver may have a slight bit more natural lows
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What is this B&C driver you refer to? Is it some kind of special order 15 compared to the stock speaker that comes loaded in the PL115? Thanks.
 
#38
I use a 1212L with my MarkBass 121P combo. They seem to have very similar sound qualities and stack nicely into a 3 x 12 column. The sound, for playing classic rock with a P bass, seems to be ideal.

I love the fact that the 2 x 12 cab is only 32 pounds or so and nearly the same size as the combo amp.

There may be cabs with more thunderous lows, but I have no complaints.
 
#39
I own a 1212L that I run with a Marbass LMII.
The tone by itself isn't amazing. And like others said, it doesn't go super low.
But in a band context, I find it sits perfectly on top of the kick drum.

I used to play an active Ibanez that I would boost the low eq on and that did not sound good with this cab. Now I primarily play a P bass and occasionally a Jazz and they both fit great in a band context.

Also, this thing gets crazy loud. Even at outdoor gigs with no PA support, I can't go past noon with the LMII.

FWIW, I live in NYC and having a subway friendly rig is the most important criteria for me.
 

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