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Sidechain on comp pedal

Feb 19, 2003
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Hi,

So my Empress compressor comes with a sidechain which I've never attempted to use so far. I have a vague idea how it works. I just ordered a small sequencer and will want to experiment with it and the sidechain, but cannot find a good ABC tutorial on how to operate them. Do you know any resources for beginners?

One thing I'm wondering off the bat: If I link the sequencer to the sidechain, does it mean I cannot out the sequencer independently? What I mean is, say I create a rythm section on the sequencer to play over, can I listen to it while at the same time feeding it into the compressor? (The sequencer I ordered only has 1 audio out.)

Thanks for any input.
 
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Hi,

So my Empress compressor comes with a sidechain which I've never attempted to use so far. I have a vague idea how it works. I just ordered a small sequencer and will want to experiment with it and the sidechain, but cannot find a good ABC tutorial on how to operate them. Do you know any resources for beginners?

One thing I'm wondering off the bat: If I link the sequencer to the sidechain, does it mean I cannot out the sequencer independently? What I mean is, say I create a rythm section on the sequencer to play over, can I listen to it while at the same time feeding it into the compressor? (The sequencer I ordered only has 1 audio out.)

Thanks for any input.

I'm a little confused but what else is new?

A side-chain is designed to provide an alternative "triggering" route for the compressor without altering the signal path. The more common application would be the addition of a high-pass filter (HPF) using an insert cable. Set your HPF at 40, 50, 70...whatever. The comp essentially sends a "carbon copy" of the bass signal thru the HPF which filters the lower bass frequencies and reduces the over-clamping of the full freq range. The new Empress MKII has a built-in side-chain HPF (120 / 240 hz) just for this purpose. I attached the manual below as it provides a better user-friendly description of how a side-chain works.

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Sidechaining a sequencer could lead to some fun and creative results. In the studio I’ve used things like a tambourine playing sixteenths as the sidechain input for a noise gate on a guitar and a Rhodes to give a cool stuttery tremolo vibe without any of the associated panning. With a compressor rather than a noise gate it’s likely to be a pretty subtle effect unless you’re using very heavy compression settings. Fun experiment regardless.

Unless the sequencer has parallel outputs it’s unlikely that you’ll be able to use it as a sidechain signal and for its intended purpose without re-cabling each time.
 
Sidechaining a sequencer could lead to some fun and creative results. In the studio I’ve used things like a tambourine playing sixteenths as the sidechain input for a noise gate on a guitar and a Rhodes to give a cool stuttery tremolo vibe without any of the associated panning. With a compressor rather than a noise gate it’s likely to be a pretty subtle effect unless you’re using very heavy compression settings. Fun experiment regardless.

Unless the sequencer has parallel outputs it’s unlikely that you’ll be able to use it as a sidechain signal and for its intended purpose without re-cabling each time.
Thanks. Wonder if I can use a Y jack : 1 out into the sidechain and 1 straight into the mixer. But then maybe the signal would be too weak...
 
Thanks. Wonder if I can use a Y jack : 1 out into the sidechain and 1 straight into the mixer. But then maybe the signal would be too weak...
If you’re feeding a mixer I’d just grab a cheap Hosa Sidekick passive DI (super cheap passive DI that still sounds pretty good) and use that. Send the sequencer’s 1/4” out into the DI input, send the DI’s 1/4” out to the Empress and simultaneously send the DI’s XLR out to the mixer.
 
Best thing to put into the sidechain to start off with is an eq pedal. specifically one that can do HPF , or maybe a parametric eq ... very helpful. A multiband graphic eq is less ideal but can still work.

As a bassist, that will let you control how much the low E (and B) string loud fundamental notes trigger compression versus playing up the neck.

Although it's possible your bass compressor pedal already has a HPF in it's sidechain (the stock sidechain, not the optional external one we're talking about here).

FYI every compressor has a sidechain - it is just normally not exposed to us. It is the trigger circuit that is required for any compressor circuit to actually trigger the compression.

So, if you get a lot of compression on low notes but not nearly as much up high, you can put a HPF (high pass filter) in the sidechain, filtering out the low notes, or at least lowering their level. That way the lower notes won't send as strong a signal back into the compressor's sidechain input, and therefore won't compress as much. Meanwhile if the frequency of the HPF in your sidechain is set to the appropriate frequency/filter/slope etc (depends on eq you use and your preferences in playing and experimenting with it), you can get it to give you a ton of compression/sustain up high when soloing, or even for popping in slap/pop while the slapping comes through more loudly (slap is often lower strings, popping is often higher strings, for example).

For crazy effects sure you can use a sequencer or other fun stuff.

What I'd try is some kind of a random filter - that could be fun.

In dance music (in the box, not typically wiht a real drummer/bassist combination), they often put the kick drum into the sidechain on the bass, and often on nearly all of the music.

That gives that famous oomph oomph oomph sound where the kick drum is super clear but every time it plays the rest of the music goes silent (or very quiet) for a fraction of a second. If you time the compressor release just right, you can have the compressor bring the music in a half beat after each kick drum (or whtaever you like) and it gives that huge dance beat thing people love at clubs.

Just so you know what a sidechain effect sounds like.. at it's extreme.

FYI - I build compressors - I built an 1176, and am currently building an opto compressor based on a pedal and doing a lots of circuit mods to it to make it as close to a cheapo LA3A sort of sound. Yes I build them from circuits already in existence and even from pre-bought boards. But I do learn the circuits and adjust them where possible to do my bidding. It's super fun when it works, and you learn a lot when it doesn't.

A lot of my mods on both compressors are related to the sidechain, mostly based on filtering by frequency.
 
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If I'm confused, somebody please clue me! But AFAIK...

As @Zooberwerx said above, the Empress has a side chain built into the box, with an HPF which you can adjust to prevent the low frequencies from squashing everything too much.* That much is pretty much "normal" compression; twiddle the knobs until you get what you want. In short, the signal you send to the input jack is what determines how much gain reduction the box applies on its way to the output.

But if you patch an external audio signal into the end (between the input and output 1/4" jacks), then _that's_ the signal which determines how much gain reduction happens to what you put to the input jack. IOW, an entirely different instrument can determine the amount of compression.

A common application is to thus have your input signal "ducked" below what you're putting into the side chain.

*Added: in the Mk 1 video in the post above, this was the part about patching in the EQ. In the Mk 2, the HPF is built in.
 
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Oh cool. Yes, that will output audio.

The Pocket Operators are really fun little gadgets, enjoy! i have the “factory” synth one.
I was initially looking for something like a Boss Dr Rythm, simply because that's the only physical drum machine I've ever really used (except for softwares such as ReDrum). But when I searched a bit and saw those Teenage Engineering units I thought they looked like a lot of fun! Would have gotten a pricier model, but I've just acquired 2 pedals lately and must cut on expenses.
Even if I end up not using it with the sidechain, I'd been wanting a rythm machine for some time. Can't wait to jam with it! You just made me a bit more impatient. :)
 
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