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Sight-reading Aid....

Sometimes, anybody could write down that "highly sophisticated" rhythmic pattern with some errors.
The BOARD will not check you for any errors, but some "Power Tab" does indicate those small discrepancies.

Actually, the computer won't be able to check it either, or make sure that you're playing it correctly. Case in point; write in the bassline to BRICK HOUSE that, if you play the rhythm exactly as written, it still sounds wrong.

And if you're truly relying on that computer program (which, I have to ask, what's your affiliation with Power Tab as you're certainly a VERY vocal proponent of it) to check your work, you're not learning either. That would be like relying on MS Word to spell-check your letters instead of learning to spell correctly in the first place.

Computer programs are great; I've used Finale, Sibelius and currently Notion (which is my favorite, esp. the iPad app that you can then swap music between). But it still doesn't replace the actual knowledge in general.
 
I'm not sure what the purpose of the whiteboard is, but I agree with those that said it is not sight reading. You'll get 10,000 more out of working through 86 Etudes for String Bass for $8.00 (and no computer needed) than the next ten years playing with the whiteboard.
 
Dictionary :- "aid":--------- "help or support".

"read":---------'understand the meaning of symbols'

"sight-reading":------'read and perform music at sight without preparation".



So....the white board (being an 'AID') helps you to further 'understand the meaning of symbols' so that you can 'read and perform music at sight without preparation'.

You practise writing symbols ( from beginner instructional sources such as a book) and you further your music knowledge inter-actively....

Get it?

It's not rocket science.....

If you have referral books handy (I do) such as the book "You Can Read Music" it is very easy to learn and see where you're mistakes are. And you learn as you go.

The initial example in the board picture, I'll admit isn't all that good. I just quickly scribed it on there to show what the board could be used for.
 
"sight-reading":------'read and perform music at sight without preparation".

You realize that writing your patterns on the dry erase board prior to playing them is an act of preparation, correct?

You will not be sight-reading until you open up any book of music to a random page, and then play it correctly. THAT is "reading and performing music at sight without preparation."
 
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How about a marker version of one of these?

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Jon Moody:-

So....if we go by the dictionary interpretation of "sight-reading"......which is the point that is being attempted to be hammered home by some in this thread ( the fact that it isn't sight reading because there was prior knowledge of the work involved)...then let's take a musician like McCartney or Beethoven..

They both have written scores of works........some that the public heard and others that were 'experimental'.

Now both these musicians would go back and play earlier works in private........some because they had forgotten parts and others to make corrections or to use parts from an earlier work in later works.

Please enlighten me on what they are doing when they set an earlier work in front of them and play it......

Obviously they aren't sight reading by your definition...because they had prior knowledge of the work...after all they wrote it in the first place.....
 
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All we're saying is that the term "sight reading" has a definition, and that your use of the term is not consistent with the definition. This forum is devoted to instruction so corrcting misuse of defined terminology is important. It's not a simple issue of semantics, it simply using the incorrect term, like Ms. Morrisette not knowing hat "ironic" means.
 
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ok....McCartney was the wrong example...........since he can't read a note ..so he says.....

Apparently we can eliminate 85% of all people that claim they can sight-read.

Since you have to be able to walk up to a sheet of music and play it "cold".

Very few people will actually play an unseen piece "cold"......especially when they're in a situation that requires they make no mistakes.....they will have gone over it as many times as was necessary beforehand.

To-'mah'-to........To-'may'-to........... It's still a tomato.....

If I look at a sheet of music with my eyes open and read it...as far as I'm concerned I'm sight-reading.

Ironically.
 
Jon Moody:-

So....if we go by the dictionary interpretation of "sight-reading"......which is the point that is being attempted to be hammered home by some in this thread

Please read the below quote, because it explains this - again.

All we're saying is that the term "sight reading" has a definition, and that your use of the term is not consistent with the definition. This forum is devoted to instruction so corrcting misuse of defined terminology is important. It's not a simple issue of semantics, it simply using the incorrect term, like Ms. Morrisette not knowing hat "ironic" means.

And let me be clear on this; I hope using the dry erase board is helping you improve your reading abilities to the point that you will be able to successfully start working on sight-reading. However, as mentioned - many times - knowing the correct definitions and terminology is about as important as reading sheet music is, because ALL of it helps you convey ideas better.


( the fact that it isn't sight reading because there was prior knowledge of the work involved)...then let's take a musician like McCartney or Beethoven..

They both have written scores of works........some that the public heard and others that were 'experimental'.

Now both these musicians would go back and play earlier works in private........some because they had forgotten parts and others to make corrections or to use parts from an earlier work in later works.

Please enlighten me on what they are doing when they set an earlier work in front of them and play it......

Obviously they aren't sight reading by your definition...because they had prior knowledge of the work...after all they wrote it in the first place.....

I actually posed this question to some of my peers at rehearsal tonight; we're doing a production of West Side Story. The pianist and I have played this show, two years ago. So the question that you're posing becomes "Is Jon Moody sight-reading the score to WSS at the first rehearsal, even though he's played the show previously?" I asked the pianist that, and she said:

"No, we're merely brushing up. After ten minutes with this score, all the muscle memory and experience from the original run comes back."

Asked our percussionist (went to school at Berklee, spent decades on the road) the same question, and his answer was:

"Not really. Technically, the only true sight-reading happens the first time you read a score down. Anything after that you're building on prior experiences."

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And in regard to McCartney and Mozart, two musicians that have written a number of pieces and then go back to it, it's the same as what I've been doing the past week (and this week) in working up pieces that I wrote for sets at NAMM. I'm not sight-reading anything; I'm going back and recalling previous works, most of which because so much time and effort was spent in composing them AND THEN putting them into a computer notation program, are already memorized. I just needed a couple of minutes to work them back under the fingers, which is precisely what Sir Paul and Mozart were doing.
 
If you're a session musician or making movie tracks or commercials you might be doing a lot of 'cold' reading...

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Scroll down to where it says "When you take an honest look at it....."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sight-reading

Scroll down to " Assessments & Standards"...and then the paragraph that starts "Washington state...".......details how they're training sight-readers....
 
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Are you starting a hi-jack sub-thread here?

The tread title reads :- " Sight-reading Aid "

In order to sight-read well you need to know how to read music.
In order to read music you have to know how to read music.
To read music it is advisable to learn and practise.
Interactively learning and writing music is part of practise.
The board can help a person do that.
So the board is exactly what it says it is in the title of the thread.........which is " Sight-reading Aid ".

Game over. Case closed. Good day.
 
I use a dry-erase board for quickly writing out sight-read practise bass lines......

Easy to read because you can make the notes bigger than most sheet music.
This size fits very easy on the music stand and is light weight.....

Great for practise/learning music theory or sight-reading bass clefs......

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Good idea.

A little advice to improve your hand-written music and avoid confusion about the notes:

Your noteheads that are in the space are not clear enough. They should take all the space and in an angle a bit so they don't look too big or too fat. Right now, they look like they are sitting on the line instead. Just an advice to improve your writring. I have a hard time seeing the difference between the G and the F ;-)

Don't forget, this is an advice not a complaint
 
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I used to participate in sight reading competitions as part of a band I was in. We would get a piece of music in a sealed envelope. We had 60 seconds from when we opened the envelope to playing the piece live in front of judges. The music was always stuff that would have been really easy with any kind of practice beforehand, but was it was usually really difficult without seeing it beforehand. You always feel really stupid afterwards too, because its easy music.

As a suggestion to get even line spacing, duct tape 4 or 5 dry erase markers together side by side, so they maintain their constant spacing. Then just drag the entire thing across the white board and you will have all your lines perfectly aligned with each other.
 

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