I don't have to buy basses from Mexico, or China. Lots of borderline anti current events opinions here.
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I don't have to buy basses from Mexico, or China. Lots of borderline anti current events opinions here.
I'm willing to take a hit for the common good. The U.S. has to make our own parts. ImoBut American-made often has components made elsewhere, which are increasing in price.
If it were only that simpleI'm willing to take a hit for the common good. The U.S. has to make our own parts. Imo
Are there ANY US manufacturers left making misc. guitar parts like bridges, strap pins, trussrods, chrome plated parts, etc, or is it all imported? At least the US is well supplied with most of the domestic hardwoods like Ash and Eastern Rock Maple, which makes up the majority US built necks. Of course, that won't matter if, as is true for most auto parts, those raw materials travel back and forth across either the US or Canadian border multiple times, with a tariff slapped on at each crossing. Is this this Winning part yet? Prediction: this thread will be locked momentarily.
***???I've been expecting this for quite some time, and I welcome it.
I don't know why you think this is some big bluff from Fender. Every year or two they raise prices. Fender isn't trying to control anyone. They're just trying to make money. It's not a conspiracy. It's just routine business.Look at motivations and it's a lot of nothing to be worked up about.
Fender...
Had a ton of excess inventory a year ago. Given the soft market for discretionary spending since COVID, I would imagine that their inventory is still not where there want it to be. Is there a better way to get retailers to buy this excess inventory than trying to scare them with higher future prices? So, what Fender is saying is technically true, but I personally think the motivation is to clear some of their warehouses of the excess inventory built when they foolishly thought the spike in sales from people staying home and getting government checks for doing nothing during COVID would be the new norm.
US Government...
Trump is just following his playbook. Literally, it's the Art of the Deal. He will always go into negotiations with an inflated stance and lots of headroom for concessions. Some find this appalling that he's not a straightforward deal maker. He approaches it more like poker - with lots of bluster and bluffing. The US Government does not want a tariff war. But, more than that, our trading partners fear a tariff war even more because we are the largest consumer of goods. This too shall pass.
My final thought is this: Anyone who tries to scare you is really trying to control you. Fender is trying to influence retailers - and by sending this message to retailers - they know the message will leak and some consumers will hopefully increase short-term demand. The US Government is trying to scare other countries to get them to reduce their already-existing tariffs/quotes/subsidies against US trade - and/or move production/assembly to the US.
It clearly states that the prices are going up because of the tariffs. The increased cost is being passed on to the end user as is the nature of business. It’ll only be malicious if they don’t lower the price when the costs go reliably down.
I'm willing to take a hit for the common good. The U.S. has to make our own parts. Imo
Same. I would gladly pay a little more in taxes if it meant subsidizing things we need here.I'm willing to take a hit for the common good. The U.S. has to make our own parts. Imo
Do prices ever get lowered? They just have more sales.It clearly states that the prices are going up because of the tariffs. The increased cost is being passed on to the end user as is the nature of business. It’ll only be malicious if they don’t lower the price when the costs go reliably down.
To clarify, I am not supporting the tariffs. I was just pointing out that Fender is just acting as all business are going to have to and that the blame for price increases lies on someone else.....and what about things that cannot be made in the U.S.?
and who says a manufactured trade war is ever going to benefit the "common good"?
No. (Edit to clarify that commodity prices will fluctuate with supply and demand, but with more specialized items like basses it is much rarer.) That’s why I never trust a politician who says they’re going to lower prices.Do prices ever get lowered? They just have more sales.
You couldn't have said that any better! Both sides have major incentive to do what they're doing, so what did we expect was going to happen?Look at motivations and it's a lot of nothing to be worked up about.
Fender...
Had a ton of excess inventory a year ago. Given the soft market for discretionary spending since COVID, I would imagine that their inventory is still not where there want it to be. Is there a better way to get retailers to buy this excess inventory than trying to scare them with higher future prices? So, what Fender is saying is technically true, but I personally think the motivation is to clear some of their warehouses of the excess inventory built when they foolishly thought the spike in sales from people staying home and getting government checks for doing nothing during COVID would be the new norm.
US Government...
Trump is just following his playbook. Literally, it's the Art of the Deal. He will always go into negotiations with an inflated stance and lots of headroom for concessions. Some find this appalling that he's not a straightforward deal maker. He approaches it more like poker - with lots of bluster and bluffing. The US Government does not want a tariff war. But, more than that, our trading partners fear a tariff war even more because we are the largest consumer of goods. This too shall pass.
My final thought is this: Anyone who tries to scare you is really trying to control you. Fender is trying to influence retailers - and by sending this message to retailers - they know the message will leak and some consumers will hopefully increase short-term demand. The US Government is trying to scare other countries to get them to reduce their already-existing tariffs/quotes/subsidies against US trade - and/or move production/assembly to the US.
Those other brands don't live in a vacuum. Their pricing will increase as well.You couldn't have said that any better! Both sides have major incentive to do what they're doing, so what did we expect was going to happen?
Fender won't be lowering prices back down when the trade war is over. They might have a brand-wide sale in the future, which will give the illusion of lower prices in the short term. But prices will remain higher as they have been over the last several years. Gone are the days when you can buy an American Pro II bass new for $1,600. The good news is that there are so many other bass brands out there to buy from.
You're right. Blanket tariffs mean blanket price increases. But that still doesn't mean Fender basses are a better deal than basses from other brands.Those other brands don't live in a vacuum. Their pricing will increase as well.
Feel, tone, etc are mostly subjective. Where I think Fender shines over the competition is in resale value. They tend to do well.You're right. Blanket tariffs mean blanket price increases. But that still doesn't mean Fender basses are a better deal than basses from other brands.