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Similar to Messa Prodigy?

The Prodigy is voiced fairly aggressively, but it depends on which specific qualities you are looking for. For example, do you intentionally overdrive your amp into distortion? Do you play very loud or at moderate levels? What speakers do you use?

Most of the classic gain and overdrive attributes come from preamp gain and preamp voicing. In the case of the legacy Mesa amps (both guitar and some bass), this comes from multiple preamp tube stages with voicing elements in between. The power tubes aren’t responsible for “gain” but contribute to the feel.

In the bass amp line, we started moving away from tube power amps as players wanted more power in smaller, lighter packages, and additional features resulted in the hybrid platforms like the M-Pulse, Walkabout, Carbine, Big Block, etc.

The Strategy and Prodigy were the last of the bass amps with power tubes, there were reliability/consistency issues with the KT-88 tubes that the two manufacturers could resolve adequately for our needs so we were forced to discontinue them. Those who were fortunate to get a good set of tubes (most of the earlier ones were pretty good) had no problems.

The current amps aren’t voiced as aggressively, especially for distortion, but the D-800+ can get reasonably close when using the bright switch and voicing control.

That said, you should try one first since it’s ultimately a personal decision.

If you are looking for the overdriven, distorted, aggressive tone, you might also try Darkglass as that’s the basis of their original products.
 
Sometimes, I love the sound of just a bit of excess drive- but I play at low volumes and would like to achieve that in a
non-tube head. I have two cabs: an Ampeg 1x15 PF115HE and a custom made 4x10 enclosure (just the speaker portion)that mimics a Fender Bassman 10 in terms of materials and dimensions.
 
Andy- can you explain a bit more why you think that the Darkglass line-up may be more to my liking? thanks
IMO, the Darkglass amps tend to favor the more aggressive tone & texture that some players like in the Prodigy/Strategy for harder music styles.
 
I would imagine the VMT voiced Darkglass amps would be more Mesa like than the X. The Alpha/Omega distortion gets quite aggressive but at the lower end it might also be close enough.

I haven’t played the Prodigy other than store tests. I haven’t owned the Darkglass stuff in a while but I’ve owned the Alpha Omega pedals and a B3K/VMT 900 head.
 
No. The ones noted as Microtubes 900 and 500

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I’ve owned a few Darkglass pedals and used their VST plugin. I owned a Microtubes 900 v1 for a while. I paired it with a Barfaced BB2 and got good results. It was several years ago, so I’m going off memory based on a few jam sessions with friends. I never gigged or recorded (seriously) with it.

Edit - Just wanted to add I've had mixed feelings and results with DG stuff over the years. It is wildly popular, and I have gotten sounds I like out of it. However, some distortion settings have a fizz to them I don't like. That's just the higher gain sound they have. Also, in the bigger picture of someone looking for a Mesa Prodigy, there is chance that you'll not find the "tube feel" some players want. It isn't going to compress or sag or respond in other tube-y ways. I did own a Mesa Buster, and it was a different experience playing it. I can't say that was all the tubes, but it didn't respond the way the DG amp did.
 
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Seems like a spicy meatball- I do not consider the Prodigy to be as radical sounding as these amps are described.....
And when I listen to them on line I hear a lot of clank..... are they capable of traditional sounds as well?

I know, I need to listen to it myself....
 
Seems like a spicy meatball- I do not consider the Prodigy to be as radical sounding as these amps are described.....
And when I listen to them on line I hear a lot of clank..... are they capable of traditional sounds as well?

I know, I need to listen to it myself....
Yes you do.
 
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Seems like a spicy meatball- I do not consider the Prodigy to be as radical sounding as these amps are described.....
And when I listen to them on line I hear a lot of clank..... are they capable of traditional sounds as well?

I know, I need to listen to it myself....
I think clank has a lot more to do with player technique, although it can be highlighted through EQ and amp voicing.
I certainly experienced a lot of clank the one time my backline was G-K, didn't gel with it.
 
With the compression circuit, B3K/VMT distortions, and the graphic EQ this amp has a lot of potential.

This is a solid demo, which does include clean-ish sounds, though I wish they’d highlight the VMT vs B3K dive sounds hard. In fact a few of the demos I skimmed through seemed to gloss over the drive circuit voices used.


The pedal demo here shows the VMT voice in a pedal form which does give you more controls than the amp version of the circuit. Around 1:40 they start showing the lowest gain setting as a “tube amp” emulation.


…I’m not pushing this as the OP’s best/only option. Just following up on the earlier suggestion that this could be a good option.
 
That guy on the pedal @ 1:40 seems right to me... beyond that the sound seems to nasty to me... But is that tone available on the amp?

That said, there are a lot tone settings this amp produces that are not of interest to me- So what other suggestions do you have?
 
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That guy on the pedal @ 1:40 seems right to me... beyond that the sound seems to nasty to me... But is that tone available on the amp?

That said, there are a lot tone settings this amp produces that are not of interest to me- So what other suggestions do you have?
I agree with you regarding “nasty” or unusable tone settings (at least for me) in the Darkglass Microtubes amps. I owned one very briefly a few years ago but I returned it to Sam Ash Music within the “no questions asked” return period because it just didn’t fit my style, taste, or needs.

Other suggestions for you would definitely include the G-K Fusion 800S and/or 1200S models, depending upon how much power you want and need. I have the Fusion 1200S, but I am thinking about selling it because I have not really used it much at all. It’s a very nice and extremely versatile amp, but I can’t imagine any situation where I would need that much power. In addition, the places where my band plays that require higher power and more volume all provide a full back line or run everything through the house PA anyway.

There are some excellent YouTube videos featuring the G-K Fusion heads. Give a listen to one or more of those videos to see if they offer the type of sound that you want. The 3-tube preamp section and overdrive plus various tone-sculpting features of this Fusion Series really make these amps extremely versatile. By all means, you should check out the videos on the G-K website, particularly the detailed Fusion S overview video by Bob and Forest Gallien.

The first few videos at this link should be of interest to you:

gallien-krueger fusion s amp overview video
 
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