Simple & warm is why I bought a REDDI. I have yet to find a situation in which my REDDI didn't deliver. If your bass sounds bad through a B-15, then it will sound bad through a REDDI. But it's probably time for a new bass(ist) at that point.
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Simple and warm...for church
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We use an RNDI at my church and in ears. I use my pedalboard with Sansamp Di V2 while the other bassist goes direct. I see the Reddi use a lot also.
Side note: 8 bass players in the rotation?!?! How much control do you have over your sound or are you at the complete mercy of the soundman?
Side note: 8 bass players in the rotation?!?! How much control do you have over your sound or are you at the complete mercy of the soundman?
If it were me, I would get a Mesa D800+ head. It would work as a great DI. It has a variable HPF. And if your church ever does a special event and you need a bass amp on stage, you have the same sound your sound guy is used to.
I feel sorry for you! I really have no tolerance for the "all DI" thing. I enjoy the sound of a real amp too much to give it up. And in 40+ years of professional bass playing, I have only worked with a handful of sound people who had knowledge, skill, passion, taste- and could still hear! So I hate turning my sound and level over to someone who cares little or knows little. I have recently been designing entirely new, complete sound systems to go back to (or forward to) all ON STAGE sound. The response from musicians and the congregation has been tremendous. We can all hear ourselves, we can hear each other, and everyone can hear us- without excessive volume.
I feel sorry for you for your experience with sound men.
In the last few years I've played in 10 or so churches. Everything from 200 to 2000 seats. The number of amps I've used on those stages was...zero. It's rare nowadays to have any amps on a church stage - even the guitar amps (some guys use Kemperd) are off stage somewhere.
My church is the same. Guitar amps in am isolation closet. All in-ears. However, we also go do "gigs" at local coffee houses and set up at church functions like picnics. That's when it's nice to have an amp on stage.
Thanks, and maybe I have become a little cynical. But answer me this: when listening to someone else (music/musicians you know well) how many times have you heard miscues, solos that weren't there, poor mixes, etc? It is the human condition: we all make mistakes. When you rely on someone else to have your sound, volume, etc. together you are adding risk/reducing reliability of things working well. If you have your own sound on stage, then the worst mistake can only make it slightly worse. If you are just in headphones, parts can be missed and nobody even knows. But maybe I just have pickier ears. I love knowing what is going on. I don't want my head in the sand.
Yeah, I doubt anyone will listen... but it doesn't HAVE to be all in-ear, drums in a cage, etc. This is our stage: 9' Steinway model D, NORD imitating Hammond B3, live acoustic/electric guitars and electric guitars, tube amp backline for guitars, Hybrid Tube solid state (Eden Traveler) head for bass through a DNS-112, live drums on a sound-absorbing riser... The congregation can hear everything and we (on stage) can hear them.The sound system I designed and installed and (so far) is 7 channels of columns/arrays, no foldback type monitors, and no separate FOH system. It is so refreshing to use. Clean, clear, and (almost) every seat in the house sounds the same.
I've had some incredible musical experiences onstage with pro players where not a single instrument had any stage volume.
Your entire set of reasons either points to lack of trust in your crew or your own ability to perform through headphones. That has nothing to do with whether I'm systems are perfectly valid and sometimes ideal setups for many stages.
Not to hijack a thread but how does the DI on the PM351 compare to other DI's? I have looking at one for a headphone amp and wondered if I could use it as a good clean DI off my pedal board. Does the volume control affect the DI signal? Could I also run into my amp while sending a DI to the board? I would not be using the mic channel
Wow- maybe you're right. I suck. Obviously. You sound a little bit defensive. Like a sound man in denial maybe.
But, peace please! I'm not really wanting to get into a pissing contest. I was hoping to enjoy this site.
BTW- over the years, I found 1 of the best ways for me to uncover the mystery of stage vs. house sound was to put on my wireless and walk out into the room. It's amazing what you can learn. These days, with an iPod I can run sound from stage (if/when we don't have others available), and/or I can walk onto the stage to hear what singers and musicians hear (when I am running sound and not playing).
I've spent my share of time in the studio, and that's a fun gig too. I just prefer the vibe, feel, and interaction of live guitars/amps/keyboards through that musician's chosen medium- amplifier, mic, whatever. For me, Cans for the studio, and amps for stage.
So- I know change is hard, and for people raised on "house sound/monitor sound" the idea of all sound coming off stage seems impossible. It isn't impossible, it's GREAT! And modern technology just makes it easier. But if playing through .25 inch drivers turns your crank, more power to you!
I also prefer a bit of live sound and love the idea of a system where everyone hears the same thing. Our church system is similar. I have very little experience playing with in-ears and much prefer the instruments being heard on stage at a reasonable volume. The problem in this thread is that the bass player is not the person making the big decisions and the church has decided to go ampless...
