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Singer’s Daughter

#61
If she's singing backup when she isn't doing leads, absolutely she should be considered part of the band with an equal cut.

Now if it's just those 5-6 songs and then she's peacin' out....ask the Dad whether you can just play bass on 5 or 6 songs and then let the guitar and drums handle the other 30 songs while you chill. Would he consider you worthy of an equal cut? Just my $0.02 :meh:
 
#62
The value of a second, young, female, singer, beyond possibly drawing a better crowd and extending the set list into different genres/tastes, is that it also gives your main singer a break, and can really up the background vocal game.

Everyone here seems to be revolving around the question of “well, what if *I* only played 5 songs, what else does she do, blah blah whinge.”

Guys, I think we can do better.

A better question to ask is under what circumstance would you feel ok giving up some pay to have her in the band.

I would avoid some weird laundry list of non musical tasks that would “justify her pay”. That’s just a recipe for ill feelings (unless, of course, she offers to take on promotional tasks, social media, etc.).

36 songs is a really thin song list for a steadily gigging band, but it’s probably an average set list for most 3-4 hour gigs. Right now, she can sing a half hour of that time.

I think you would see a big difference in band performance if she sang a dozen tunes. 18(half the night) would be ideal.

I would just say she’s in an internship until she can sing 12 tunes, working her way to 18. She gets full pay when she can get through a full set. Also, the proud dad had BETTER be working the crowd, tip bucket in hand, when he’s not singing. In the short term, something needs to happen to try to make up for less pay.

Eventually, she’ll be able to sing the whole night, and you can fire dad. It’ll serve him right! 🤣
 
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You are already entertaining the idea the girl is in the band...but you haven't discussed how that will work with work load and split.
Unless the father already assumes she is on token money, you are sleep walking into a situation where father sides with daughter and a potential world of pain whilst you belatedly discuss money.
You may already be suckered.
 
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Clark Westfield said:
So the singer’s daughter came to a rehearsal a few times and blew us away with her singing ability.

Her dad sings for us and does all of the set list.

We added some songs for Mary and she is committing to joining the band.

5-6 songs in total-36 song set list.

Now when it comes to pay, is she entitled to dividing the purse equally.

I’m playing every song, do I need to give her a piece of my take for only 5-6 songs?
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i'd give her a full cut since she traveled for the gig and presumably will be there the whole time.
 
#70
So Anyway, you need to sort out what she'll be doing when she's not singing. Harmony? Meet & Greet? Drinking at the bar? Playing video poker?
I was in a band where our 5-song-singer did all of these.
What happens when her sister wants to join? :oops:

Nothing wrong with full pay for a new member who's not on stage all the time. They just need to be engaged in something to support the band.
 
#72
I suspect the arrangement won't last long enough to be a real issue. She may decide the time is more than she is willing to spend. She may love it and step up to do more BGVs and leads. She may get hit on at some bar and Dad may take issue and talk her into stepping down.

She may learn to play the notes on the E & A strings up to the 5th fret and take over the bass role ;)
 
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darwin-bass said:
I suspect the arrangement won't last long enough to be a real issue. She may decide the time is more than she is willing to spend. She may love it and step up to do more BGVs and leads. She may get hit on at some bar and Dad may take issue and talk her into stepping down.

She may learn to play the notes on the E & A strings up to the 5th fret and take over the bass role ;)
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She may decide to form her own band with some young'uns instead of playing with a bunch of geezers!
JK, but not really--I know that's what my kid would do:)
 
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Clark Westfield said:
So the singer’s daughter came to a rehearsal a few times and blew us away with her singing ability.

Her dad sings for us and does all of the set list.

We added some songs for Mary and she is committing to joining the band.

5-6 songs in total-36 song set list.

Now when it comes to pay, is she entitled to dividing the purse equally.

I’m playing every song, do I need to give her a piece of my take for only 5-6 songs?
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Yes! If she has to be at rehearsals and gigs, yes again.
 
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Jazzdogg said:
I've been in bands where I did far more to help the band than other players (P.A., social media, recording gigs and rehearsals...), and I did it willingly because I enjoyed my various roles. I never asked for, or expected, my pay to be higher than anyone else's.

The road to disappointment is paved with unrealistic expectations: clear up everyone's expectations IN ADVANCE.
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You’re very wise.
 
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Clark Westfield said:
So the singer’s daughter came to a rehearsal a few times and blew us away with her singing ability.

Her dad sings for us and does all of the set list.

We added some songs for Mary and she is committing to joining the band.

5-6 songs in total-36 song set list.

Now when it comes to pay, is she entitled to dividing the purse equally.

I’m playing every song, do I need to give her a piece of my take for only 5-6 songs?
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Is she obliged to be there for the entire gig? As the old military draft aphorism says: they also serve who only sit and wait.

So my opinion: if she’s showing up, doing her own little 6 song set, then leaving, the band should pro-rate her pay. But if she’s there for the whole gig, she gets a cut equal to any other singer. And if that’s the case, perhaps she could add some hand percussion etc during the other songs.
 

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