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singing while playing fretless

Hey guys, i was wondering if you guys have any suggestions on specific methods that will help with this. i play alot in my church and mostly sing harmonies but our leader(my dad actually) has nodules on his throat. i have been covering him which is great experience, but i have had to simplify alot and stick with just my fretted bass. thanks for any help you can give guys. we have an awesome community.
 
Pray.... Lol.
I feel for ya bro.
Been playing fretless for almost three years now, still havent mustered the confidence to play it out. I always stare at longingly for a few moments as I pack up for a show and then just grab one of my fretted basses.
My only advice, which I clearly dont have the guts to follow, would be to just do it. You will probably be a little uncomfortable for the first few times, but it will eventually pass.
Sorry my response wasnt more helpful.
 
@MVE lol, ya its always a little terrifying. luckily i have a great amp so i can usually hear myself well to play it live.

@fmoore200 my brain doesn't seem to want to cope with keeping 2 or more notes in tune at a time. lol. i have pretty good pitch over all as i started out on trombone but i can't seem to do both.
 
dang, i was hoping to just magic my way to the top. :p i have been working the 2 parts separately and trying to bring them together. i hate to sacrifice quality of either. i know woodsheding is the answer. i would love to find a better method to my practicing though.
 
This is coming from a bar/club show perspective and not for a church service performance. It's possible but requires more effort that might detract from other aspects such as stage presence, attention to audience, and singing correctly. Even if you're great at fretless and singing sometimes variables you can't control can really mess with you. Mostly bad sound from PA monitors that make its harder for you to hear your singing which will require more attention. Paul Simonon said he loved fretless but the random or lack of lighting in clubs made it difficult for him to play it and sing to the best of his ability.

I use to do it but switched back to fretted. I'm happy I did cause its one less thing to worry about and I can focus more on other things and be relaxed. But the fretless tone is pretty awesome.
 
Coming from a person who sings and plays both fretted and fretless, there is no difference. If anything I find the fretless easier.

How much hand watching are you doing? Muscles memory should be doing most of the work, not eye-hand co-ordination. Also, simplify your lines as much as possible so you don't have to adjust positions while singing.

That and practice, practice, practice. It took me months to finally nail a line while I sing since I have to do two different rhythms. It felt real good when I first did it.
 
The important thing is to think about the split your brain needs to do. Firstly do you know the music and the words off by heart, or are you reading the bass line and the lyrics? If you are having to think about what next note to play, then how will you also think about which words to sing? Same thing but different is if you are reading. If you are a pianist, you can read two stave lines at the same time and play both. If you just play bass, then you probably won't ever have had to read two lines at once, and read the lyrics. Add these snags to the newness of playing live with your fretless and you're going to get a brain freeze. Now is NOT the time to shift from frets to fretless. I have always had a fretless, but play it rarely - and is the reason I gave up playing DB, just not enough need for it. When I do play the fretless, I find I'm consciously thinking about the next position my finger is going to hit. When I joined my current band, the big deal is vocals, so that was where I had to put in most effort. I'd got some great bass lines planned, but when my brain was concentrating on the accuracy of the harmonies, my fingers either stopped, or went back to basic roots and 5ths - kind of automatically. If I were you, I'd leave the fretless at home until you can get the singing sorted. even with a fretted bass, it's going to be tough. Is there anything giving you specific problems at the moment?
 
I play fretless and sing with a group every week.
It's like learning to drive, you have to put in the practice time, it's nerve-wracking the first few times, and maybe you might run over a curb once or twice.
I don't even think twice about it anymore, and if I can do it, you probably can too.
I don't know about your bands instrumentation, but maybe keying in to a chordal instrument might help instead of focusing on the bass.
 
Took me a little while, but I can sing lead and play fretless at the same time.
The trick is to not watch your hands, work on your intonation,
have decent monitors and audible bass,
and practice vox and fretless both at once.
 
This ^^^

You have to be sure you can hear both things well. I tend to close my eyes when singing, which doesn't help. I think it's kind of like flying a helicopter - keep it below 15' for a while, and once you learn to control it there, you're good to go.
 
There is no shortcut, just practice. If you are using the service as your practice time you will be disappointed. Time for some wood shedding. You've already done the hard part, separating your vocal rhythm from your bass rhythm.

This. I learn the vocal and bass parts separately; when I feel comfortable with the bass part I meld them.
 
I played nothing but fretless for several months. That version of my band never made it out of the rehearsal space, but as et al have pointed out . . . it's just a matter of practice.

Practice fretless with your eyes closed, then practice singing and fretless, with your eyes closed. Get rid of the crutches because you can't have them in a performance anyway.
 
Practice fretless with your eyes closed, then practice singing and fretless, with your eyes closed. Get rid of the crutches because you can't have them in a performance anyway.

+1

in addition, since the vocal rhythm is different from the bass rhythm, I found I needed to learn the song in small chunks so the bass is more mechanical in order to focus on the vocal rhythm.

Geddy Lee said in an interview (2 years ago?) that he simplifies the bass parts when he is singing. Not a terrible thing to do anyway as a bass player. Keep me focused on groove.