Sire Bass Club!

[Jamarvic]

Unfortunately for me I get terrible hum at my churchs' new space. I like it acoustically but if I solo a pickup I have do contortions to minimize directional hum.

 

[BassGuyFL]

Exactly, and as I said further up the thread they need some sort of automated notification system when the expected ship dates come and go. That is what is pissing some people off, no contact or information from Sire unless you contact them first, pro active vs. reactive is a really important part of customer relations in any business. Hopefully in the new year they will address this, either by having a larger inventory or more realistic shipping dates and better communication with those who are waiting. But hats off to Mickey, I'm sure his hair is turning grey as fast as a first term President Jim

I don't want to be "that guy" and drive Mickey any more crazy and I'm sure I'm not the only one that's been waiting for weeks. To be honest I'm irritated because my gig is drying up (gee thanks guys for getting away from cover gigs and wanting to focus on originals right after I spent $1100 on new gear and taking away my main source of income ) and I was considering looking at another road gig or a cruise gig or maybe relocating and can't until I know the true status of the bass and short of cancelling the order all I can do is wait it out.

 

[stingray69]

Somewhere along the road I got it in my head that copper does a better shielding job than the paint - true or not, lol. I will most likely do a copper shielding in time, but since I don't go off center blend as much as others might, I'm in no rush.

 

[SmokinJazz]

With just about all the single coil jazz basses I have, I remedy the 60 cycle hum issue by copper foiling the bottom poles, run a ground from it. Some have said this affects the tone, but I hadn't noticed it.
It a lot cheaper than getting a different set of pickups. But, doing wiring isn't everyone's forte Or recommended unless you're good with soldering.

What do you mean by copper foiling the bottom poles? Is that wrapping the bottom of the pickup where the wire winding is at? Or just foil the pickup slots? I have used copper tape designed to be a barrier to slugs (and the adhesive shown to also be conductive, but I still wrap the edges over). Here is a link to the brand I bought (15 feet for $8) http://www.amazon.com/Corrys-Slug-Snail-Copper-Barrier/dp/B000QD3BPW

No reason to spend enormous money to some guitar part specialty site or store for very small amount of copper tape!

 

[chinjazz]

What do you mean by copper foiling the bottom poles? Is that wrapping the bottom of the pickup where the wire winding is at? Or just foil the pickup slots? I have used copper tape designed to be a barrier to slugs (and the adhesive shown to also be conductive, but I still wrap the edges over). Here is a link to the brand I bought (15 feet for $8) http://www.amazon.com/Corrys-Slug-Snail-Copper-Barrier/dp/B000QD3BPW

No reason to spend enormous money to some guitar part specialty site or store for very small amount of copper tape!

Yep, that tape will work. What I usually do is take copper tape like you have here and cut it the width and just 1/4" short length wise on each side, and with the adhesive strip waxy paper thing still on, I solder a wire on it flat to the shiny side, then peel it and attach it to the under poles of the pickup. The copper basically only touching the poles and the new ground wire. Install it all and take the other end and solder it to ground in the control cavity. I hadn't wrapped the edges over though. It's a pretty quick operation

 

[stingray69]

What do you mean by copper foiling the bottom poles? Is that wrapping the bottom of the pickup where the wire winding is at? Or just foil the pickup slots? I have used copper tape designed to be a barrier to slugs (and the adhesive shown to also be conductive, but I still wrap the edges over). Here is a link to the brand I bought (15 feet for $8) Amazon.com : Corry's Slug & Snail Copper Tape Barrier : Copper Tape : Patio, Lawn & Garden

No reason to spend enormous money to some guitar part specialty site or store for very small amount of copper tape!

There's a helpful picture in this link of the kind of bottom pickup pole foil shielding that I believe Chinjazz is referring to, along with other good shielding info. You can wrap foil around the bobbin, in very close proximity to the coil windings (but do not let the copper foil actually come in contact with the coil windings or else they will short to ground), but I've heard that its best to not fully cage (completely surround) the coil windings using this ultra-close method because this can alter the tone (kills the high end of the pickups).

I usually just foil all the cavities & use the magnet pole piece/foil strip method on the bottom of the pickup poles - connect them all electrically & ground the entire setup and it can help a lot, but some environments can & will put any amount of shielding to the test (with single coil pickups). It can be a lot of work, but a good copper shielding typically works very well in most circumstances, IME.

Another good link with pics.

Some good TB shielding advice.

 

[chinjazz]

There's a helpful picture in this link of the kind of bottom foil shielding that I believe Chinjazz is referring to, along with other good shielding info. You can wrap near the coils, but I've heard that its best to not fully complete/cage the entire coils because this can alter the tone. I usually foil the cavities & use the magnet pole piece foil strip method and it can help a lot, but some environments can & will put any amount of shielding to the test. It can be a lot of work, but a good copper shielding typically works very well in most circumstances, IME.

Another good link with pics.

Some good TB shielding advice.

All good . I usually do the "Ground the Magnets or Pole Pieces" thing.

 

[Charlie Blue]

Since I recieved my V7 I have been playing it every day. Today I thought about my Fender MiM Jazz I had and hardly played it. It just had no mojo vodoo wohoo like this V7 does. The Fender MiM Jazz was beautiful I thought, it felt good in my hands. At church I played the MiM P bass they had and I thought it was ok too. But I now realize how nieve I was. It was 30 years ago I played my Gibson EB3 so I don't remember much about that bass, I didn't have it more than five years.
But this Sire V7 is really a beautiful bass in every way.
I have never played a Lakelan or anything over $2k for any lenght of time to compare them.

If your on the fence about buying a Sire, get off the fence on the right side and place your order. Be patient on delivery dates, triple the wait time given. Then fall in love with the bass instrument.

Ok I am done. ✔
Charlie Blues Man

 

[Maiden Bass]

Just ordered one of these:

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I'm more of a 4 string player anyway... Who knows, maybe a 5 string is in my future - LOL!

Ha! I just ordered the exact same model! It's showing first week of January!

 

[Snibborwocky]

It's amazing how this company took off so fast and I'm very happy for them that these instruments are a complete success already. I'm really in no hurry (even though I WANT them delivered by the date specified on their website) to get my orders as long as QC is not affected because of the massive amount of orders in the past few months. Patience is a virtue and it will make me all the more prouder and happier when my basses arrive. They have a really really good thing going and I'm sure they don't want to compromise a single aspect in production due to supply/demand issues. From what I'm reading so far, the wait is worth all the anxious anticipation.

 

[puff father]

I don't want to be "that guy" and drive Mickey any more crazy and I'm sure I'm not the only one that's been waiting for weeks. To be honest I'm irritated because my gig is drying up (gee thanks guys for getting away from cover gigs and wanting to focus on originals right after I spent $1100 on new gear and taking away my main source of income ) and I was considering looking at another road gig or a cruise gig or maybe relocating and can't until I know the true status of the bass and short of cancelling the order all I can do is wait it out.

Oh man, do you know anyone that would loan you a bass? Where are you?

 

[BassGuyFL]

Oh man, do you know anyone that would loan you a bass? Where are you?

I'm in South Florida. I have 2 nice SBMM basses but wanted to expand my sound palate to a jazz and saw the Sire as a great option. I don't want to pass on an opportunity because I'm still waiting for my bass nor would I want to commit to something and have the Sire sitting in my house for weeks and weeks and I'm off on a cruise or a road gig and don't have access to it.

 

[MarkoYYZ]

It's amazing how this company took off so fast and I'm very happy for them that these instruments are a complete success already.

It sort of answers the question whether or not a player endorsement or sig bass is worth ot for a manufacturer, doesn't it?

If these were released simply as "Sire Bass Guitars" they would no doubt have some buyers, but the association with Marcus Miller made a massive difference in terms of the number people who would be willing to give them a shot. A whole bunch of those "oh, it's just another offshore knockoff jazz" people were swayed by the MM name, and won over by the product itself once they gave it a try. That's not to say Nate Mendel or Eva Gardiner would have been helpful to Sire in the same way, of course, but name association is big in this business, where people often make their purchasing decisions for reasons other than just the instrument's merits alone.
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[Hallic]

On the fence whether to get the Alder/rosewood or Ash/maple v7 5 string.

I really love the active/passive feature plus the sweep able mids. (like Marcus explained in a video. for some reason manufactures seems to underestimate bass players)
Ow and i really like the pickups, so i don't think will would have to replace them.

HOWEVER. Im torn between the Alder rosewood OR Ash maple.

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In the samples thomann provides the ash/maple just turn muddy for rock stuff. But those samples might possible done poorly. Anyone got experience with both basses? I'm hopeing the Ash maple will be more cut-through the mix due to higher frequencies. I want to use it as a rock bass atm.

Hope anyone can provide some experiencies. Otherwise i'll just order both and return one

 

[chinjazz]

Ha! I just ordered the exact same model! It's showing first week of January!

That's funny, in a very good way. I just got my head wrapped around the fact that It could be months. Maybe I should log into the site and see the status of mine (geez, it's only been a few days)?

 

[BassGuyFL]

It sort of answers the question whether or not a player endorsement or sig bass is worth ot for a manufacturer, doesn't it?

If these were released simply as "Sire Bass Guitars" they would no doubt have some buyers, but the association with Marcus Miller made a massive difference in terms of the number people who would be willing to give them a shot. A whole bunch of those "oh, it's just another offshore knockoff jazz" people were swayed by the MM name, and won over by the product itself once they gave it a try. That's not to say Nate Mendel or Eva Gardiner would have been helpful to Sire in the same way, of course, but name association is big in this business, where people often make their purchasing decisions for reasons other than just the instrument's merits alone.
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Marcus adding his name for sure gave them credibility. The Fender Marcus models were great but way out of a lot of people's price point. Having something with decent quality and features is why they've been so popular.

Having said that I didn't get one so I can sound like Marcus. I'm not a fan of that scooped-out smooth jazz bass sound. It sounds great on its own but gets lost in the mix pretty quick. What really sold me was watching this video and realizing I could get tones like this: (starts at 8:10)

 

[chinjazz]

Ha! I just ordered the exact same model! It's showing first week of January!

I just checked, and mine said it said "Processing", and underneath it said "Invalid Link Removed.

I highly doubt it'll come that quick... There were some folks mentioning on here that that verbiage should be removed because it wasn't accurate.
Just repeating what I heard....

I'll just go order some strings from BSOL to satisfy my immediate need for a purchase fix. lol

 

[chinjazz]

Marcus adding his name for sure gave them credibility. The Fender Marcus models were great but way out of a lot of people's price point. Having something with decent quality and features is why they've been so popular.

Having said that I didn't get one so I can sound like Marcus. I'm not a fan of that scooped-out smooth jazz bass sound. It sounds great on its own but gets lost in the mix pretty quick. What really sold me was watching this video and realizing I could get tones like this: (starts at 8:10)

Yeah, that did it for me also.. Very Jaco-esque.. I'm a sucker for a bass that can be Marcus to Jaco in the same bass, and the rosewood board w/blocks.. Cat's Meow dude!

 

[lukiluk]

No ones talk about lowb in these Sire?! for me is very powerful, present, strong ecc....waaaay better than my Fender jazz 5 deluxe mim

 

[stingray69]

My take on the B: Sire Bass Club!

But yes, would love to see more thoughts & comments regarding the feel, tone, etc., from the 5-string owners.