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Smoking insanity

So... the little New England town I live in next to Worcester, MA has enacted new laws and regulations regarding the sale of tobacco products.

To start off with, tax has increased 20% to $3.01 on packs of cigarettes. Tax on roll-your-own products has doubled. Last year I was buying a 6 oz. can of tobacco for $13 - then one day I go to buy one and it was $26 - the frickin' price doubled over night!! This is an effort to raise $260 million to add to the state's budget.

Bear in mind that in the past the state has hiked cig tax to, "pay for and make freely available smoking cessation products." Yeah, about 5% of the revenue generated went to that program. The rest went to pay for the Big Dig and to line pockets.

The new town regulations include:

1. Cigars must be sold in packs of 4 or more
2. Single cigars must be over $2.50
3. It is illegal to sell 'blunt wraps' - but apparently it's OK to sell 'glassware' at the smoke shop (Shhhhhh! Don't say anything or they'll take that too!)
4. Stores may no longer have 'roll your own' machines - Stores were getting automatic rolling machines and customers were able to pick out the tobacco they wanted and have the machine roll it all up in a jiffy.
5. Any store that has a pharmacy in it (WalMart / supermarkets) may no longer sell tobacco products - So WalMart no longer sells butts, but the gas station and the smoke shop right next door does.
6. No vending machines (I have no problem with this one)
7. Stores cannot give free samples - including with manufacturer coupons
8. No store may sell packs of cigarettes for less than what the government says is the minimum price
9. No store may sell packs of cigarettes that contain less than 20 cigarettes

Smokers are getting porked again without any say in the matter. Smokers are a voting minority and what politician in their right mind would stick up for dirty, blue collar, lung cancer infested, child corrupting, hop-heads? Smells like a cross between a dirty ashtray and taxation without fair representation. When the people get upset about the government bilking them for money by raising tolls on the Pike, the next target is always the smokers.

They say, as they always do, they want to raise money for smoking cessation programs, they want to make people quit smoking, they want to keep tobacco products away from kids, they don't want people smoking pot.

They say...

Comments? :eyebrow:
 
Sounds like a job for Nick Naylor!

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This is a tough one becuase talking politics here is taboo and for a good reason.

Oh, snap, you're right - forgot about that. My bad.

Still, it's not exactly about politics, I think my point is more about stupid ideas that people come up with that make no sense.

Can anyone think of a reason why it would be a good idea to ban cigarettes from WalMart just because they also have a pharmacy?

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Thank You For Smoking = great movie! "You have to have 'flexible morality'..."
 
Not a smoker, I just don't know how people can afford the habit!

Many people can't - I think that's the point. It works to some extent - smoking levels go down a bit every time they raise prices. But is this right in a free-market society / economy? Also, I don't think they'd want to raise prices too high because that would be like killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

Don't get me wrong - smoking sucks. It is a nasty habit and an enormous burden on health care. In a country that has socialized health care I can see how non-smokers would be upset about paying for someone else's lung cancer treatments. But still...!? I don't see how any of those regulations are gonna do anything about that.
 
i grew up on a tobacco farm. nearly all my relatives raised tobacco when i was a kid. i understand all the health concerns about tobacco and i agree with certain laws that are being made about it. but i always strikes me as so hypocritical when they pass anti-smoking legislation in this state - every government building that's more than 20 years old was paid for to some degree by tobacco money.
 
Not to be a prick about it, but if you don't like it, quit. I have never had sympathy for anyone I've known who has smoked and then complained at how much money they were spending on it per month "I'm saving $200 a month by not smoking!" Yeah well I don't smoke and I'm not saving any extra so..
 
Not to be a prick about it, but if you don't like it, quit. I have never had sympathy for anyone I've known who has smoked and then complained at how much money they were spending on it per month "I'm saving $200 a month by not smoking!" Yeah well I don't smoke and I'm not saving any extra so..

No offence , and I understand about not wanting to be a jerk but... Do you drink soda and eat fast food? Obesity is almost epidemic in this country. How about raising the tax on sugary fatty food to 30 to 50% overnight. It's always easy to shrug when it's the other guy taking a hit.
 
Nothing new here... virtually all those "new" changes to Tobacco you are seeing, we have been seeing for years.
Arguments could be made that smokers subsidize health care with their taxes paid... however, regardless, here's what's been happening here as a result of tax/price increases...
First nations folks are exempt from taxes and they are making a killing here in Ontario selling cheap smokes (Really bad smokes if you must know!)
Black market smokes can also be easily had as well... so my advice, find a First Nations reserve and load up!
Fishheadjoe
 
That sucks for smokers, and it also sucks that smoking-related health issues are covered by insurance, Medicare, etc.

Instead of discouraging smoking through taxation and regulations, individuals should be allowed to make their own decisions but also should assume all risks that may result.
 
Ii still don't think it's right to strong-arm people to change their behavior in a free society. Honestly, someone else smoking doesn't affect me unless we're stuck together in a confined space. My university even has a policy that no one can smoke anywhere on campus at any time (not that anyone follows that policy). I think that's ridiculous. I'm not a smoker aside from the occasional cigar, but i don't see what the big deal is.
I agree that the smokers should assume responsibility, but these new regulations aren't the way to push that.
 
Its not right to strong arm anyone into anything, anytime, anywhere. Its always wrong. Just make a damn law forbidding it and be done with it, by the way , im a smoker.