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So I played a pretty cool gig...

Does it make more sense to read or not to read?

  • Read

    Votes: 39 81.3%
  • Not Read

    Votes: 9 18.8%

  • Total voters
    48

70spbase

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I'm located in Las Vegas and I get to do some traveling as well as 5 gigs a week in town. Not a brag post, but more or less a thank God we all still play a bass guitar/upright bass. We live in a time where everyday we get more and more (bass track) songs that get jammed on radios. So I'm glad that there is a still a need (want) for real bass. So anyhow in regard to the topic. I have been fortunate enough to work for a producer in town that gets a call 5 out of the last 7 years to put a band together to play at the HBO Emmys afterparty. I get the call and the other musicians are all professional as well. Vegas show members and the drummer that had played in THE FAMILY STONE. Amazing drummer named Frank Klepacki , he also composes Video game scores. So let's say we get the music approved (covers) 2 weeks before the gig and we have 3 rehearsals scheduled prior to the date. 90% of the material has no traditional bass. Just mindless low notes played on a keyboard/laptop. Not complaining, but then we are told that the original versions are just for reference. Key changes, style changes, and tempo/note changes TBA. :rollno: So all of this with a four piece band and female lead singer. The best part is that we only do 2 rehearsals because the first scheduled rehearsal turns into a gong show due to the fact the keyboardist and guitarists have charts (what are charts?) So fast forward to the sound check .. SIR LA provides gear. At least it's an ampeg as requested... unfortunately it is a Porta-flex 350 with the single 15 matching cab. Why oh why are the speakers so inefficient in these cabs? Granted it's an outside gig under a Pagoda as decorated. But, seriously the speaker is blown to the tune of both volumes at about 10 o'clock and low end cut back. No D.I. (thank God I bring a sans amp). The producer wants continuity on stage so I get a music stand as well for the guitarist. Mine has a setlist. So the gig happens and I miraculously remember verbatim every song and actually get a thumbs up from Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban. Meanwhile the chart guys are having issues reading their own charts and personal notes. Mind you I'm not boasting. I pose a question. Do you feel it is beneficial to read or not to read? That being a question in regards to pop music. As opposed to actually "learning" songs. Also as we all have to wear many hats and learn every style of music, does it make sense to apply every facet of your knowledge into higher profile gigs? More so than your regular shows (bands)?
 

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Cool gig! Do you have more photos?
I have noticed that majority bassists have preference with learning songs by heart.
But, I feel both have a place: reading - when there is little time to prepare, and material will not be played again; and learning it - when you plan to play it regulary.
Maybe you could add more options? Ie, "both" "according to situation" "just simple notes on a set list"...
 
Cool gig! Do you have more photos?
I have noticed that majority bassists have preference with learning songs by heart.
But, I feel both have a place: reading - when there is little time to prepare, and material will not be played again; and learning it - when you plan to play it regulary.
Maybe you could add more options? Ie, "both" "according to situation" "just simple notes on a set list"...
I have some more photos , yet they're just boring shots of the decor and name placards for tables.
 
So reading is another tool er useful necessity for most musicians. I just never learned and I have lost a few gigs due to that fact. Yet in turn I have played hundreds of gigs maybe a couple thousand in the last 30 years without "needing" the skill. Trust me I should a, could a, would a in hindsight. maybe when I get to the cruise ship stage of gigs I will learn. ;)
 
I can't read.
I wish I could but I manage without.
Certainly if I had any aspirations to a real career in music doing musicals, etc, or a lot of sub-work where you're in and out fast to a gig, I'd have made the effort to learn properly years ago.
As 'just' a soul/blues covers player I get by just fine learning by ear/with tabs but it's definitely a skill I'd encourage anyone to have.

Slightly to de-rail .... please tell me those little risers you were all stood on moved around randomly while you played, like dodgem cars. That would've been awesome!:)
 
I read fairly well. I'm not trying to sight read an entire gig but if you give me notes on a page, I'll learn em.

For covers in the pop world, I believe that it is detrimental to my playing if I bring out chord charts. Reading charts puts me into a jazz mind where choices are up to me. Pop music usually has a groove that can't really be written out in a chord chart. Most of the times I find that if I just learn that groove well, I'll have the song memorized.

IMO charts and music stands take away from the show.
 
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Being able to read music is better than not being able to read music. If you plan on playing more gigs, you will very likely be handed charts for a gig. Imagine having to turn down a good-paying gig because you can't read!
 
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I'm located in Las Vegas and I get to do some traveling as well as 5 gigs a week in town. Not a brag post, but more or less a thank God we all still play a bass guitar/upright bass. We live in a time where everyday we get more and more (bass track) songs that get jammed on radios. So I'm glad that there is a still a need (want) for real bass. So anyhow in regard to the topic. I have been fortunate enough to work for a producer in town that gets a call 5 out of the last 7 years to put a band together to play at the HBO Emmys afterparty. I get the call and the other musicians are all professional as well. Vegas show members and the drummer that had played in THE FAMILY STONE. Amazing drummer named Frank Klepacki , he also composes Video game scores. So let's say we get the music approved (covers) 2 weeks before the gig and we have 3 rehearsals scheduled prior to the date. 90% of the material has no traditional bass. Just mindless low notes played on a keyboard/laptop. Not complaining, but then we are told that the original versions are just for reference. Key changes, style changes, and tempo/note changes TBA. :rollno: So all of this with a four piece band and female lead singer. The best part is that we only do 2 rehearsals because the first scheduled rehearsal turns into a gong show due to the fact the keyboardist and guitarists have charts (what are charts?) So fast forward to the sound check .. SIR LA provides gear. At least it's an ampeg as requested... unfortunately it is a Porta-flex 350 with the single 15 matching cab. Why oh why are the speakers so inefficient in these cabs? Granted it's an outside gig under a Pagoda as decorated. But, seriously the speaker is blown to the tune of both volumes at about 10 o'clock and low end cut back. No D.I. (thank God I bring a sans amp). The producer wants continuity on stage so I get a music stand as well for the guitarist. Mine has a setlist. So the gig happens and I miraculously remember verbatim every song and actually get a thumbs up from Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban. Meanwhile the chart guys are having issues reading their own charts and personal notes. Mind you I'm not boasting. I pose a question. Do you feel it is beneficial to read or not to read? That being a question in regards to pop music. As opposed to actually "learning" songs. Also as we all have to wear many hats and learn every style of music, does it make sense to apply every facet of your knowledge into higher profile gigs? More so than your regular shows (bands)?

What on earth could be beneficial about not knowing how to read?
 
I can't sight read, but I often write my own cord charts with rhythmical annotations that help me memorize the groove of a song ,if I dont already know it, and any breaks or accents. I often fill in for other bass players and have a day job. If I get a CD with 20 songs one week before the gig and one rehearsal, there just isn't enough time to memorize all the material. The important thing is not to be glued to the lead sheet the entire time while playing. I take an occasional glance and read ahead. Nowadays I have all my sheets on an iPad. I get many repeat calls and have been told more than once that people actually appreciate that I write down the tunes and play them close to the original vibe, unlike other guys who try to memorize everything and end up fumbling through the set. After 2 or 3 shows with the same band I usually lose the lead sheets.
 
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I'm located in Las Vegas and I get to do some traveling as well as 5 gigs a week in town. Not a brag post, but more or less a thank God we all still play a bass guitar/upright bass. We live in a time where everyday we get more and more (bass track) songs that get jammed on radios. So I'm glad that there is a still a need (want) for real bass. So anyhow in regard to the topic. I have been fortunate enough to work for a producer in town that gets a call 5 out of the last 7 years to put a band together to play at the HBO Emmys afterparty. I get the call and the other musicians are all professional as well. Vegas show members and the drummer that had played in THE FAMILY STONE. Amazing drummer named Frank Klepacki , he also composes Video game scores. So let's say we get the music approved (covers) 2 weeks before the gig and we have 3 rehearsals scheduled prior to the date. 90% of the material has no traditional bass. Just mindless low notes played on a keyboard/laptop. Not complaining, but then we are told that the original versions are just for reference. Key changes, style changes, and tempo/note changes TBA. :rollno: So all of this with a four piece band and female lead singer. The best part is that we only do 2 rehearsals because the first scheduled rehearsal turns into a gong show due to the fact the keyboardist and guitarists have charts (what are charts?) So fast forward to the sound check .. SIR LA provides gear. At least it's an ampeg as requested... unfortunately it is a Porta-flex 350 with the single 15 matching cab. Why oh why are the speakers so inefficient in these cabs? Granted it's an outside gig under a Pagoda as decorated. But, seriously the speaker is blown to the tune of both volumes at about 10 o'clock and low end cut back. No D.I. (thank God I bring a sans amp). The producer wants continuity on stage so I get a music stand as well for the guitarist. Mine has a setlist. So the gig happens and I miraculously remember verbatim every song and actually get a thumbs up from Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban. Meanwhile the chart guys are having issues reading their own charts and personal notes. Mind you I'm not boasting. I pose a question. Do you feel it is beneficial to read or not to read? That being a question in regards to pop music. As opposed to actually "learning" songs. Also as we all have to wear many hats and learn every style of music, does it make sense to apply every facet of your knowledge into higher profile gigs? More so than your regular shows (bands)?



Reading is nice.

I rarely have found charts that have the bassline correct, but the chord are right, unless the singer wants a different key?
 
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I can't sight read, but I often write my own cord charts with rhythmical annotations that help me memorize the groove of a song ,if I dont already know it, and any breaks or accents. I often fill in for other bass players and have a day job. If I get a CD with 20 songs one week before the gig and one rehearsal, there just isn't enough time to memorize all the material. The important thing is not to be glued to the lead sheet the entire time while playing. I take an occasional glance and read ahead. Nowadays I have all my sheets on an iPad. I get many repeat calls and have been told more than once that people actually appreciate that I write down the tunes and play them close to the original vibe, unlike other guys who try to memorize everything and end up fumbling through the set. After 2 or 3 shows with the same band I usually lose the lead sheets.
Exactly where I'm at too. Currently working pretty regularly with three bands and helping at an open mic/jam every week. I have about 650 songs on my iPad and get plenty of sub calls as well. The chord charts and lyrics mainly act as memory joggers and help me when I'm singing. Can't say I'm glad I don't sight read, but I've been doing ok I guess.
 
I always played by ear and memorized, but in the last couple of years I've started to see that being able to read has some real advantages.
So I'm slowly learning.

I've met piano players that can't play much without sheet music, so I agree being able to hear a groove and play / improvise is very important.

I did sound for a show recently - a singer's CD release party. That band only had 2 rehearsals and played jazz, R&B, rock, pop, blues and even avante guard experimental noise stuff. They all had music stands with charts and it didn't take anything away from their performance - they killed it!