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So it seems I am a child abuser (Sarcasm intended)

#41
fenderhutz said:
Tylenol does more damage to your liver than what weed does to your body, and I don't even touch the stuff. I know someone with chronic pain that would benefit from it but our state is so backwards they would rather the persons already failing liver get more damaged from opiates and pain killers than allow MJ.

I encourage you to get off your moral high horse about the MJ. I personally can't stand the MJ culture, but understand it's uses. It's legal in the state the OP resides in.
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There ARE uses for it, but the OP's use is not a clinically-accepted usage for it yet. And for what he wants to use it for, there is a synthetic version that won't get him in trouble with court. MJ is FANTASTIC for palliative pain treatment, but outside of that has very few useful medical applications yet.

The "don't do damage the body" thing is a myth- long term use causes irreversible memory deficiencies. Yeah, acetominophen in tylenol is toxic to the liver, and it's hard on it with chronic use...but are you taking 25 pills in a sitting? Yeah, I didn't think so, either.

My issue isn't MY issue with him being on pot. My issue is that the COURT will have issues with him being on pot, particularly when there are a large number of standard medical treatments for his condition.
 
#44
Jon Burnet said:
Normally I would be quiet. But can u guys knock off the pot debate? Jadys obviously hurting from being accused of hurting the things he loves most. Give a word of encouragement or move on.
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You're missing the point. It's not ANTI-POT- it's pro-get-his-children-back-by-making-a-good-impression.We're being realistic. We're trying to reinforce the idea that the courts will look poorly upon that treatment, thus encouraging him to seek more standard, acceptable medical treatment for his TS that won't damage his credibility with the judge.

ITS NOT ANTI-POT.
 
#45
Angus said:
You're missing the point. It's not ANTI-POT- it's pro-get-his-children-back-by-making-a-good-impression.We're being realistic. We're trying to reinforce the idea that the courts will look poorly upon that treatment, thus encouraging him to seek more standard, acceptable medical treatment for his TS that won't damage his credibility with the judge.

ITS NOT ANTI-POT.
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+1

The entire point is that, regardless of whether or not Jady needs pot, it's certainly not going to help his case in front of the court. I know a bunch of people who are excited to be living in CA because, quite frankly, it's not hard to scam the system and get legal approval to use medical MJ for things that don't require it. Now, I don't know anything about Tourette's, so I have no opinion about Jady's situation, but a lot of people in CA also know that not everyone with a medical use card really needs it, and they'll look upon those who have cards with skepticism. Like it or not, it's the way it is.

It may or not make a difference in Jady's case, but there's at least some social belief that dropping pot might improve his standing in the opinion of the courts, and that's the point many people here are trying to get across.
 
#47
There is no real treatment for Tourettes other than Haldol or Orap. I have been on both and they are suicide machines. Depression related suicide is COMMON for long term Haldol use. There are plenty of tests and cases stating that MJ use considerably reduces tics (which it does).

As for the legality of it, They have merely asked for more documentation. The limited visitation is for the alleged abuse. My understanding of this however is that if they thought I was intoxicated off of a legally prescribed Vicodin they would also limit visits.

Marinol would be a great option however I do not see it being used any longer.
 
#48
Hollow Man said:
+1

The entire point is that, regardless of whether or not Jady needs pot, it's certainly not going to help his case in front of the court. I know a bunch of people who are excited to be living in CA because, quite frankly, it's not hard to scam the system and get legal approval to use medical MJ for things that don't require it. Now, I don't know anything about Tourette's, so I have no opinion about Jady's situation, but a lot of people in CA also know that not everyone with a medical use card really needs it, and they'll look upon those who have cards with skepticism. Like it or not, it's the way it is.

It may or not make a difference in Jady's case, but there's at least some social belief that dropping pot might improve his standing in the opinion of the courts, and that's the point many people here are trying to get across.
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I totally understand, whether or not MJ is useful or legal if the courts will not recognize it then I am stopping, thats a no brainer. I have until the end of April to feel this out and see if I can get a leg to stand on here but if not I will still have 30 days to pee clean for my May 2 re-evaluation.

Peeing clean was never a problem before and it will not be again. This is the one place where prop 215 fails. There are many cases of the courts using med MJ as a reason to take the kids. A lot of them have been overturned and the kids given back but if it means not seeing my kids for months screw it.
 
#50
jady said:
I also feel that I should add that I was not smoking when we got married and didn't for the first few years. SHE was the one who wanted to "try pot" and we started smoking together.

She is doing this just to hurt me and take away something that does me some good.
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Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned :(

Hang in there, you'll have to play the courts game for a while unfortunately, this is where it's at at the moment, hope it works out as best it can for you and yours.
 
#51
jady said:
She is doing this just to hurt me and take away something that does me some good.
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She is, but the thing she is taking away is the kids, not the pot. Don't use the pot to cope- it's for the tics, remember? Your kids are more important, although obviously you are very aware of that!

jady said:
There is no real treatment for Tourettes other than Haldol or Orap. I have been on both and they are suicide machines. Depression related suicide is COMMON for long term Haldol use. There are plenty of tests and cases stating that MJ use considerably reduces tics (which it does).

Marinol would be a great option however I do not see it being used any longer.
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There are tests which show that it is CORRELATED with reduced tics, but not that it is a proven, approved, indicated usage for it. Those are very different things. At the moment it is still an "off-label" use.

Marinol is still in use, and you can still have it prescribed. It's worth asking.

There are a vast number of other medications that are used to treat TS- tics in particular. I agree that haldol and orap are awful medications and should really only be saved for the most necessary of cases, but if you had a bad reactions to those there are tons of others on the market with less negative side effects. If you doctor says that there are none, go see another. There are, and there are a lot.

Again, the whole point of this is not anti-pot. I want you to have the most effective treatment of your TS symptoms, and to get as much custody of your children as possible. But if the judge sees "possible abuse" next to "does drugs" EVEN IF that's followed by "legally prescribed", it is going to color the judge's view. We both know that someone smoking weed is not going to be violent or abusive, but they do not necessarily know that and it's in your best interest to appear to be the best case possible.

The issue with opiates like Vicodin are an entirely different case, and are in fact much worse. I absolutely would not want my children with someone on long-term Oxycontin due to "recurrent back pain" and "fibromyalgia". But this is not the same thing.

I just want you to appear to be the best case possible, so you can beat the hag in court and get your rightful time with your kids.
 
#52
Angus said:
She is, but the thing she is taking away is the kids, not the pot. Don't use the pot to cope- it's for the tics, remember? Your kids are more important, although obviously you are very aware of that!
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The coping is with the Tourettes symptoms not stress. She is making me choose between an effective treatment and my children. She knows exactly what she is doing.


Angus said:
There are tests which show that it is CORRELATED with reduced tics, but not that it is a proven, approved, indicated usage for it. Those are very different things. At the moment it is still an "off-label" use.

Marinol is still in use, and you can still have it prescribed. It's worth asking.

There are a vast number of other medications that are used to treat TS- tics in particular. I agree that haldol and orap are awful medications and should really only be saved for the most necessary of cases, but if you had a bad reactions to those there are tons of others on the market with less negative side effects. If you doctor says that there are none, go see another. There are, and there are a lot.

Again, the whole point of this is not anti-pot. I want you to have the most effective treatment of your TS symptoms, and to get as much custody of your children as possible. But if the judge sees "possible abuse" next to "does drugs" EVEN IF that's followed by "legally prescribed", it is going to color the judge's view. We both know that someone smoking weed is not going to be violent or abusive, but they do not necessarily know that and it's in your best interest to appear to be the best case possible.

The issue with opiates like Vicodin are an entirely different case, and are in fact much worse. I absolutely would not want my children with someone on long-term Oxycontin due to "recurrent back pain" and "fibromyalgia". But this is not the same thing.

I just want you to appear to be the best case possible, so you can beat the hag in court and get your rightful time with your kids.
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Honestly, I haven't been treated for Tourettes since 1991 when I told my doc that I wasn't taking the Haldol any longer due to the side effects. The doc who prescribed the Med MJ is still evaluating me to see how it works in the medium/long term. Marinol would be totally acceptable for me if I can get it.

This is exactly how I will be spending my next few weeks, documenting, doc visits, tests............... She knows the difference in me with and without the Med MJ and said herself that I am much calmer and functional with it but it really it doesn't matter what she thinks anymore, just the courts.
 
#55
hdracer said:
Unless you are dieing of cancer, drop the weed. I would not want my kids around someone on drugs ether.
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:scowl:x3

Drop the stereotype about weed and learn the facts. More importantly, the man has the legal right to use it in his state. His Marijuana use should never had come into the equation.

Stay strong Jady and try to keep a positive outlook on the situation. With a little luck and a lot of common sense, hopefully this will all work out in your favor, as it should.
 
#56
cassanova said:
More importantly, the man has the legal right to use it in his state. His Marijuana use should never had come into the equation.
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Everything is in the equation when it comes to determining custody. Just because you are so 'enlightened' as to the harmless wonder that is MJ use doesn't mean everyone else is. The simple truth that many of us are arguing is that, when a judge or legal authority reviews Jady's case file, the part that details Jady's MJ use has the strong potential to reflect negatively on him. Should it? That's getting into semantics, and will probably get this thread closed. But could it? Absolutely, and that's something that he has to consider as his case goes forward.
 
#57
Hollow Man said:
Everything is in the equation when it comes to determining custody. Just because you are so 'enlightened' as to the harmless wonder that is MJ use doesn't mean everyone else is. The simple truth that many of us are arguing is that, when a judge or legal authority reviews Jady's case file, the part that details Jady's MJ use has the strong potential to reflect negatively on him. Should it? That's getting into semantics, and will probably get this thread closed. But could it? Absolutely, and that's something that he has to consider as his case goes forward.
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I agree, should and does are two very different things. Do I want to be the poster boy for Med MJ............no

They have already reviewed it and asked for further clarification which is not unreasonable I suppose.
 
#60
MIJ-VI said:
But would her infidelity not be an indicator of her character vis a vis this seeming attempt to force you into choosing between your children and the most effective treatment for TS?
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I would think so but the courts simply do not have the time or manpower to look into one's "character". Other "character" issues.

She was married still when she married me.

She cheated on me at least once (probably more but I can only prove 1)

She has been living in our old house (which my folks own) and even though she got married again, had another baby (not mine) and re-married has never paid a full months rent.

She has accused me of abusing her (I did not) as she has accused everyone before her (even her dad who is free to see my kids)

Repeated nasty emails to my mom calling her a "bad landlord" for not fixing some issues with the house which they don't pay rent on.

etc etc i could go on but I am sure there is a limit to post size :eyebrow:
 

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