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Some more Subdecay Prototypes
- Thread starter TaySte_2000
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Sorry, the filter... gurgle & moan. Anything beyond a basic delay is lost on me and bass... my dd-6 meets all need.
So you should be
I think you'll dig it but from what I've heard I think you'll be after the production model as well but but not as an either or, or but to have both
The delay is way more basic than a DD-6 the next one how ever that may only be a prototype will not be
but you didn't hear it from me, personally I want both of the delays he's working on so I can get get rid of my AD-10, PB&J and PDS2000
I think you'll dig it but from what I've heard I think you'll be after the production model as well but but not as an either or, or but to have both
Well, I am exploring the filter realm now, hunting for 'what makes me happy'. I've got to move on to something since I'm within 3 pedals of trying all the fuzzes I ever wanted to!
The delay is way more basic than a DD-6 the next one how ever that may only be a prototype will not be
I've had a few analog delays, and this dd-6 fell into my lap in a trade. I really prefer the crispness of the digital delay in the light touch places I use it. Of course I like the WHAM or SLAM or whatever the hell that feature is called too
Of course I like the WHAM or SLAM or whatever the hell that feature is called too
That's what I want a DD-6 for
Subdecay one is digital but analog voiced-ish I need to get my internet sorted other than at work so I can talk to him about them.
But let me know when you get it I'd be interested to hear the results
Box on the porch today... woowoo, open it up ready for some gurgle and moan action. Hrm.. I got an echo. Little shipping snafu makes me the proud owner of a second delay.
I spoke with Brian this evening and when I said there was a problem he asked, "are you the guy that ordered a echo and got a gurgle", I said no... the other guy.
We chatted for awhile, nice guy. Anyway, we cut a deal and I'll be keeping the delay and getting a gurgle as well.
I spent a bit of time playing with it next to the DD-6 for kicks this evening. Pretty basic and clean, I'll record a bit tomorrow and see if you can pick which is which.
I spoke with Brian this evening and when I said there was a problem he asked, "are you the guy that ordered a echo and got a gurgle", I said no... the other guy.
We chatted for awhile, nice guy. Anyway, we cut a deal and I'll be keeping the delay and getting a gurgle as well.
I spent a bit of time playing with it next to the DD-6 for kicks this evening. Pretty basic and clean, I'll record a bit tomorrow and see if you can pick which is which.
Opinions?
Come on you're getting lazy
Yeah, my bad. I quit cold turkey a prescription drug I've been taking for about a year. I'm having some withdrawal symptoms (as expected) but dizzy + hot flashes = poor focus from me.
That whine past me. I like it, it is pretty basic. It's dead quite, and while it's a very accurate delay, it's a bit warmer that the boss. This is not vastly warmer, this is "I'm listening with my ear on the amp" type differences. The boss sucks just a tiny bit of volume, which the Subdecay does not.
The knobs and settings are much more intuitive than the DD6 (and by extension the DD5/3). Perhaps a little bit too loose on the knob front, it's easy to knock settings out of whack (note to self, create and patent a 'locking knob' idea).
Obviously the Echobox is feature poor when compared to the DD-6 and that will be a breaker in this case, but that depends on how you plan on using the box. The DD-6 @ $159 new it's a bit more costly than the Echobox - $119, but I don't think the feature per dollar difference is worthwhile.
Subdecay Echo Box:
- Sounds slightly better than the Boss
- Volume equity
- True Bypass
- Dead easy to dial in.
- 800ms delay
- Brian is cool.
Boss DD-6
- Buffered bypass actually finishes current delay fade out (and new notes are not delayed after switched. This is actually pretty neat and prevents and 'abrupt' end to things. This may be good or bad depending on the user
- Tap Tempo
- Stereo In/Out
- 5200 ms delay time.
- Reverse
- Warp/Hold Function
My final verdict is this.
It's a good but not great little delay pedal. It aims at improving the 'lower end' of the market and I think it succeeds.
If you were thinking of buying a DD3, buy the Echo Box instead. If you own a DD6 or find any of the extra features of the DD6 as 'must haves', the Echo box will leave you wanting.
Yeah I figured as much, nice to know pedals still sound cool to you now your not on drugs
I'm looking at one to replace my Danelectro PB&J which while nice and such just squeals a bit in my set up.
I think the proper model of this as well will be about the DD-6 price as well so that might be a bit of a killer for it but when you compare it to less feature heavy delays that are analog or analog voiced such as the Mad Professor DBD, Malekko 600, Ibanez AD-9 etc it works out pretty cheap.
Also before you sell it try some pitch shifting (Turning the time knob but you knew that) from what I under stand the DD-6 won't do this and that's a bit of a selling point to me and how do the occilations compare?
Brian is currently running a competition to win one of these or an F-Bomb on HCFX basically you have to guess the number he's picked between 1-10,000
I'm looking at one to replace my Danelectro PB&J which while nice and such just squeals a bit in my set up.
I think the proper model of this as well will be about the DD-6 price as well so that might be a bit of a killer for it but when you compare it to less feature heavy delays that are analog or analog voiced such as the Mad Professor DBD, Malekko 600, Ibanez AD-9 etc it works out pretty cheap.
Also before you sell it try some pitch shifting (Turning the time knob but you knew that) from what I under stand the DD-6 won't do this and that's a bit of a selling point to me
and how do the occilations compare?Brian is currently running a competition to win one of these or an F-Bomb on HCFX basically you have to guess the number he's picked between 1-10,000
Also before you sell it try some pitch shifting (Turning the time knob but you knew that) from what I under stand the DD-6 won't do this and that's a bit of a selling point to me
I'll check. I've always just used the pitch pirate for those kind of oddities (always fooling around, never "for real"). I suppose now that I'm thinking of getting rid of it, I'll need to consider these kinds of things.
Brian is currently running a competition to win one of these or an F-Bomb on HCFX basically you have to guess the number he's picked between 1-10,000
You say this like I've not already submitted a number
1 - Pitch shifting on the subdecay works well. No go on the boss as expected.
2 - Self Oscillation on the subdecay is possible, but it's pretty in control. It didn't feel like it was cascading into madness, rather just holding the edge of oscillation.
2 - Self Oscillation on the subdecay is possible, but it's pretty in control. It didn't feel like it was cascading into madness, rather just holding the edge of oscillation.
Cool to know, when I get my internet sorted at home i'll pick one up.
Any one jamming the Gurgle and Moan yet? Am interested to hear what you guys think of that beauty.
Cheers
Any one jamming the Gurgle and Moan yet? Am interested to hear what you guys think of that beauty.
Cheers
Ok so I got both of these pedals as well and here are my opinions and soundclips.
Sound clips are Valenti Jazz into pedal into radial prodi into garageband
and nothing else.
Gurgle and Moan - Its a nice little filter very musical but a lot harder to dial in than the Boomstick Bottom Feeder that is still my fav filter, but it can do quite a few sounds which I always find is rare in filters they tend to have 1 maybe 2 sounds and then that's it. This has a slight whistle to it on extreme settings but you have to have the knobs cranked to get that. I can't get any oscilation from mine at all, apparently this is one of the reasons it is a proto some can do this some can't not really fussed as I don't think I'd want a filter to oscilate.
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I think this is a keeper because it's so different to anything I've had before and it can get really synthy with my Catalinbread V8 which is the main thing I use filters for anyway.
Echo Box - Now I've had a lot of delays and nothing has really stuck with me, I tend to favour analog style ones but find that the delay time is too limiting but also digitals with huge delay times throw me as well I seem to get lost in features when I should be playing.
So overall this is my favorite delay I've ever had it had the best features of my Digitech PDS2000, Aria AD-10, PB&J. It can pitch shift it can oscilate but be controlled and be played over unlike the Digitech and Aria, the decay of the notes is far better than all of these and the Ibanez AD-9 and Boss DD-20 it's much more organic than any digital delay I've had.
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I'd agree with Grygrx's review that if you are after a delay then for a little bit more you can get a DD-6 which would be way better in features, but for me who has used and owned many of the feature heavy delays I'd say if you find features holding you back when trying to be creative and digital is just to cold then this may be the ticket for you. And I'd recommend it over items like the AD-9 and DD-3 that are very similar but just not as good
But yeah very happy with this, sold my PB&J and think the Aria is going and the Digitech when I get a looper
So thumbs up from me, I think I'll be buying the changed and better Gurgle and Moan but the Echo Box doesn't leave me wanting at all so I won't be buying a production version of that.
Sound clips are Valenti Jazz into pedal into radial prodi into garageband
and nothing else.
Gurgle and Moan - Its a nice little filter very musical but a lot harder to dial in than the Boomstick Bottom Feeder that is still my fav filter, but it can do quite a few sounds which I always find is rare in filters they tend to have 1 maybe 2 sounds and then that's it. This has a slight whistle to it on extreme settings but you have to have the knobs cranked to get that. I can't get any oscilation from mine at all, apparently this is one of the reasons it is a proto some can do this some can't not really fussed as I don't think I'd want a filter to oscilate.
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I think this is a keeper because it's so different to anything I've had before and it can get really synthy with my Catalinbread V8 which is the main thing I use filters for anyway.
Echo Box - Now I've had a lot of delays and nothing has really stuck with me, I tend to favour analog style ones but find that the delay time is too limiting but also digitals with huge delay times throw me as well I seem to get lost in features when I should be playing.
So overall this is my favorite delay I've ever had it had the best features of my Digitech PDS2000, Aria AD-10, PB&J. It can pitch shift it can oscilate but be controlled and be played over unlike the Digitech and Aria, the decay of the notes is far better than all of these and the Ibanez AD-9 and Boss DD-20 it's much more organic than any digital delay I've had.
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I'd agree with Grygrx's review that if you are after a delay then for a little bit more you can get a DD-6 which would be way better in features, but for me who has used and owned many of the feature heavy delays I'd say if you find features holding you back when trying to be creative and digital is just to cold then this may be the ticket for you. And I'd recommend it over items like the AD-9 and DD-3 that are very similar but just not as good
But yeah very happy with this, sold my PB&J and think the Aria is going and the Digitech when I get a looper
So thumbs up from me, I think I'll be buying the changed and better Gurgle and Moan but the Echo Box doesn't leave me wanting at all so I won't be buying a production version of that.
