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Someone please explain all the love for Steve Harris

In the middle of the Bruce Dickinson book right now and the band dynamics at play around Steve are pretty interesting. It was always clear that Steve was the main creative and business force of Iron Maiden when Bruce joined and Bruce really had to fight to just try and rise above the "just another guy in Steve's band" level. Pretty good read so far.
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I was scrolling through my Facebook feed when a “50 greatest bassists” link came up (Invalid Link Removed). Basically glorified trolling but with marketing and data mining behind it. Now I know that these things are click bait and designed to annoy you into commenting and I know I shouldn’t have clicked but I did. So can someone please explain why Steve Harris always does so well - above innovators like Jaco and Larry Graham, above Kaye and Jamerson. I’ve listened to Maiden and tried but I just don’t get all the love for him. What am I missing?
I’m not a huge fan but his technique is unique and he’s unique for using a p bass with flats in the genre he plays in. He also wrote most of their songs from what I know. He’s an integral part of a very successful band. That’s why.
 
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As mentioned earlier, if you don't enjoy metal you won't get Steve Harris. Just like if you don't enjoy jazz you won't get Jaco, or if you don't like funk you won't get Bootsy.

The fact is that he inspired thousands, maybe even millions, of kids (me included) to pick up the bass and do more than just plunk along on the root and/or just copy everything the guitars do note for note like Gene Simmons or Michael Anthony. When I heard Moonchild for the first time it was a literally life-changing moment, and I say that with zero exaggeration. I decided that I wanted to play bass after hearing that song and 21 years later I'm still at it. Steve, along with Cliff Burton, redefined what the bass was meant to do in metal - they used their position as the bassists of the two biggest metal bands ever to do that. Geezer had the groove and creativity, then Steve and Cliff came along and added power and speed to that.

Being the primary songwriter for Iron Maiden means the bass is the root and anchor of the songs. His playing is the pulsing heart. And even on the songs he didn't write (Powerslave and Wasted Years come to mind), his basslines are clever, melodic and well thought-out. He was revolutionary. Surely that boosts his status immensely.

Is he technically one of the best bassists ever? No, I can think of 10 players not on that list who are better than him off the top of my head. Is he one of the greatest ever as described in the list? You betcha.

While I can agree with you about Gene Simmons and his non-creative bass lines, but I hardly put Michael Anthony in the same class of guitar note for note pluckers. Maybe on the debut Van Halen Album he did a lot of that, but not later. He evolved and became very creative following more of accentuating vocal tracks then guitar lines which great bass players do. Once you listen to the Hagar era VH and his bass lines then and in later Chickenfoot & The Circle he is doing anything but that. He may intersperse some guitar licks in the songs, but who wouldn’t with the likes of Eddie Van Halen & Joe Satriani. He hardly doing it note for note. He may not have Harris popularity, but he is far from a note to note slouch.
 
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I think you’ve just read the thread title and not the actual post. If you followed the thread you’d see the arguments (mainly for Steve) for both his impact to the genre and his technique. General consensus was that he’s no virtuouso but is definitely an innovator. There is much love for him. Keep an eye out for Maiden day coming soon!
 
The music is highly connected with emotions, the music also connects us with the good old times we had in the past. Thus we also judge the bass players with those emotions. While we listen Iron Maiden it also takes us away to the good old days counciously or subcounciously.

As far as i know he is also a humble guy considered to many rock star wannabes, couple of my friends had an opportunity to meet him in person while they were touring.

Its ok to say he is a good song writer some sort of, which he admits in the interview. In the end of the day, his talents as a bass player didnt sold those records, it was the songs and he wrote many of them by himself and contributed the others as chief of the band.

Its ok to say Steve Harris has a distinctive play style. He has a distinctive tone, his fast galloping finger style and using high gauge flatwound strings in a metal band. His high energy on the scene also an important thing. His band his show afterall.

When added together, facts like those might explain the love for Steve Harris.

Selling thousands of records and keeping the band together up till now is a big thing that many cannot achieve easily i agree. On the other hand in order to keep the band on the line he was very strict guy. Thus musically Iron Maiden havent changed at all, it was always been the same thing with different colors. People loved or hated Iron Maiden just because of that i guess.

Steve also was a lucky guy to have the right crew on his ship.

Bruce Dickinson as a vocalist, if he is not a good singer he is a creative guy and talented frontman have an incredible effect on the crowd. (Blaze and Paul didnt have that magic, they both have a good voice on their own though). Personally i cant stand to listen him without Iron Maiden, with the Maiden he becomes someone and sometihng else. Not saying he is a bad singer here by the way. He also wrote many good songs in both Maiden and his solo albums.

He was also very lucky with the drummers, Clive Burr (R.I.P) was a very talented drummer, he was forced to leave the band for not his lack of talent but for he couldnt keep up the pace consistently and later on replaced with another talented drummer Nicko Mc Brain.

Having Adrian and Dave, who have a good synergy with each other also very fortunate, keeping Janick for the show is also a plus.

We have to note that they had brilliant producer at their side in their golden years in 80s, yea talking of Martin Birch. Without him they might not achive such a big success.

Now Iron Maiden is like a travelling theater, a show, more than a metal band for me. By the way i still listen them time to time, i play their songs time to time, i would be happy if they release on last album before they decide its over.
 
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If you don't like jazz, you won't get Jaco.
If you don't like Motown, you won't get Jamerson.
If you don't like metal, you won't like Harris.
One of the first metal bands I listened too was Iron Maiden, Piece of Mind to be specific, and the bass jumped out at me, even though I didn't know what a bass was. His tone and playing is really what drove their music for the first 6 albums. Then I saw a VHS of Live After Death and I wanted to play whatever that guy was doing. Done.
The man has incredible technique and presence in a genre not known for great bass players, unlike funk or jazz where every player is a monster. Plus he writes a large percentage of Iron Maiden's material. Coupled with his commanding stage presence, it is hard for metalheads not to love him. Like Geezer Butler, it is very hard to explain the love for him, his playing either speaks to you or it doesn't; but when it does it is loud.
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I was scrolling through my Facebook feed when a “50 greatest bassists” link came up (Invalid Link Removed). Basically glorified trolling but with marketing and data mining behind it. Now I know that these things are click bait and designed to annoy you into commenting and I know I shouldn’t have clicked but I did. So can someone please explain why Steve Harris always does so well - above innovators like Jaco and Larry Graham, above Kaye and Jamerson. I’ve listened to Maiden and tried but I just don’t get all the love for him. What am I missing?


You said it yourself, the lists are just click bait to suck you into the ads.

IMO, I think he is an innovator in his own right. His style is aggressive and precise. If you like Maiden and have some appreciation for bass playing, you probably appreciate that he is the creative force behind the band and a great leader. I think their success and longevity is mostly attributable to him. But I like Maiden too so I'm probably jaded.

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I'm still flummoxed as how he can achieve that sound on Monel flats :wideyed:
I saw Scott Thunes play on Thursday and he had an old (looked like a 60s with gold pickguard) P bass. If I’d had my eyes closed I’d have thought he was playing a Ric. He had so much clank going on he sounded like Chris Squire. Just goes to show how much of the sound comes from the player. Still it’s fun to drool over fancy basses.
 
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People please go back and read the thread. The question wasn’t actually about loving Steve Harris the man or Iron Maiden as a band. The question was asking why he always came so high in best bass players of all time poll.

This is a bit of a word dump (I address my feeling about him as a player before getting down to him cleaning up the lists but here goes ;):):

When I was a younger and much more naïve bassist (who did love Maiden, mind) I was obviously impressed by Steve's right hand technique and the speed of his fretting hand. However, I found him overrated in the sense that his lines didn't blow me away like an Entwistle, and I felt that a lot of the worship I saw of him was unwarranted from a technical perspective. I also found a lot of Maiden's biggest hits not that difficult to play if you slow them down sufficiently, and I foolishly thought that was a sign of inferiority. He does ride the root quite a bit at times, moves with the guitar parts, and quite a few of his fills I thought were obvious on a theoretical level, if pretty cool. Then, I eventually realised that you don't have to play complex countermelodies to be a great bassist, and writing a good bassline is not a simple art.

This is the thing (which other members have doubtlessly brought up): he isn't a virtuoso. He isn't a once-in-a-lifetime player or freakish genius. However, his style is actually Jamersonesque in many ways, he plays for the song and spices things up in all the right places. He drives the songs but he doesn't tread on the toes of the other musicians in the band (except maybe volume wise, but I aint no g**tar player whinin' about a good loud bass). I reckon he's a fantastic role model for beginner and intermediate bassists (I'm not a veteran so I won't tread there) - you can learn a lot of practical stuff from learning his lines. If it makes sense on a theoretical level - fantastic! You're making progress with theory! More importantly, he's a no B.S. player who is not content to just chug the root note, and even when he does, you've got those unmistakable Harrisian triplets going on. The man has one of the most recognisable styles of all time. He can play cool melodic basslines too like the intro from Number of the Beast or Phantom of the Opera or Innocent Exile (the early Maiden albums in particular are loaded with these), and even when they aren't too hard they remind you of the virtue of simplicity.

This sort of thing is a large reason why I feel that he cleans up the lists - his lines are distinctive and he stands out as a stage presence (which helps draw in the non-player crowd's votes, as opposed to say someone like Ian Hill of Judas Priest, who hangs back onstage and was the victim of having to dumb down his style for the commercial market as well as bass-unfriendly album mixes), while from the musicians' side, a lot of players have probably cut their teeth learning Maiden lines and really admire his technique.

He has also written most of Maiden's catalogue on his bass, which explains a good deal of his root note riding etc. When it comes down to it, the guitars are following him, not the other way around, even when he stops and lets them go play on. He's a fantastic songwriter imo and his playing is the driving force of the band. He's a big fan of the late great Andy Fraser from Free too, particularly his work on Fire and Water, which probably explains his strongly theoretical approach despite claiming not to know what a scale is.

When it comes down to it, I would call Steve a great bassist (even if he often crops up too high on lists) because of his influence, impeccable technique, killer hidden-in-plain-sight chops and immediately recognisable style. He ain't no Jaco, Clarke, Entwistle, Jamerson or Bogert, but sometimes you don't have to be. If I could only be as good a player as Steve Harris (and half as cool), I'd be a very happy man. Hope this helps answer your question (if it hasn't been already lol), sorry for how wordy it is. I've been on a bit of a Maiden kick and these are my thoughts on the matter.