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Something that really makes me MAD

gary mitchell

gary mitchell

Jul 14, 2008
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austin texas
#1
I hope all these amp manufacturers listen. I am trying to find a combo with some power, that I can just throw in the car.I want something a decent price. Peavey TNT suppose to be 600 watts but its not by itself. I find a lot of amps like that, why cant they just tell you what they are by their selfs first then tell you what they are after hooking them up to umpteen speakers. To me thats misleading like the Peavey TNT So far the only one I found that puts out what it saids is the TC BG500 and the Hartke 5410c. I don't know about the Ampeg BA600. Ive had bad luck with Carvin. Wouldn't own another one of them. I want at least a 400 watt combo. I can spend 6 to $800.00 cheaper if I can buy used. Does this bother anyone else.:hmm:
 
#4
Forget the combo. Get a GK Fusion head and the new Avatar TB153 (4 ohms) and you'll be kickin a true 500w thru a killer 500w cab for around 1000 bucks.

Combo's aren't really built to be super powerful. They're convenient yeah, but these new light heads kinda make it a moot point.
 
#5
My main rig is a SWR 700 head and a Schoreder 310212 cab. I am playing with a band, but sometimes I make a few extra bucks playing with two guys playing acoustic and a drummer. My other band plays loud. Anyway I want a combo but I want a combo with some power are volume if I want it. I guess I get that from my guitar days as a lead guitar player more watts more headroom cleaner you can play at louder volumes. Sometimes we have gone to a gig and the building will be a little bigger then we were told more people. They use 100 watt fender acoustic amps, and Iam still a little of a power freak I guess.
 
#8
I am just saying sometimes it hard to know what your buying. I play a 20 watt Egnator Rebel head on a 212 cab and it sounds great, and I have mic it tru a P A. But when I want to get serious, I take my Fender Custom Twin with a 15 JBL. I amit you guys know more about bass equipment then I do. I just want to look at something on the internet, like a Peavey TNT which said it was 600 watt amp, and its not unless you add more speakers. I am just saying be up front about it. Have your ad say this a so and so amp and it gets this many watts but if you add another cab you get 600 watts, Making you think it can get that buy itself. There are a few combos that can do that. I guess its what your wanting, I want something you dont have to add another speaker to. If I am going to do that I might as well bring my big rig. Ive thought about buying another neo 210 are 212 and using my SWR 700 head. but there again a bulky cab and a 2space rack with a amp it. I think I am going to buy the TC BG500 Ive heard the 210 but never the 15 and I do respect everything you guys tell me. Iam pretty stupid about this stuff, thank God I can play and it makes me money every other week end. I need to get another computer this one has 3 keys missing, I spilled a pepsi on the key board once. I rather buy bass stuff.
 
#11
Ahhhh!!

I wasn't aware of the "new" TNT!!!

It still produces the advertised power I promise, the less than efficient 15" speaker however... well even if the amp did produce 600W into one speaker, without a monster like the Eminence 3015, and large cab you'd never notice.

I hate to say things like buyer beware, but I am. TB is full of these topics, manufacturers are trying to compete with one another- like politicians, unfortunately they are forced to make claims that are less than ideal because their competitor does.
 
#12
Hey, I bought the Peavey Tour Series TNT combo,yes they say 600 watts, but was told with the 15" it's about 200.
With external speaker can get to 450 watt before the clip.
Does great for my needs.
Handles small rooms & rehearsals beautifully. The tilt back was a great idea.
 
#13
To the OP, keep in mind the perceived hearing difference in the same speaker cab(s) between 300 wts and 600 wts is very, very small. Some people simply wouldn't notice the difference.

Use your ears, not the numbers. Besides, when you learn the formulas for ohms, you can quickly figure out the power available (pretty close).
 
#14
gary mitchell said:
I hope all these amp manufacturers listen. I am trying to find a combo with some power, that I can just throw in the car.I want something a decent price. Peavey TNT suppose to be 600 watts but its not by itself. I find a lot of amps like that, why cant they just tell you what they are by their selfs first then tell you what they are after hooking them up to umpteen speakers. To me thats misleading like the Peavey TNT So far the only one I found that puts out what it saids is the TC BG500 and the Hartke 5410c. I don't know about the Ampeg BA600. Ive had bad luck with Carvin. Wouldn't own another one of them. I want at least a 400 watt combo. I can spend 6 to $800.00 cheaper if I can buy used. Does this bother anyone else.:hmm:
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so far, every amp I've checked from a reputable company (Peavey is one) has their specs clearly indicated...
maybe you're not reading the specs?
and then there's the issue of needing more speakers to physically move air and get that bass felt out there...
 
#15
We as bassists feel your pain-the need for bigger gear to get volume. But understand the fundamentals of frequency for sound. A guitarist can use a 2x12 combo and be done, but the higher frequncies produced by guitar will allow for this. Bass frequencies need more power AND more speakers to produce the same volume. In a similar thread here, a player has been asking about what 112 combo is gig-worthy. My GK 700RB/112 combo is the best combo I've ever used, period! For garage rehearsal, even with good volume, it holds it's own. But for stage use w/my hard rock power trio gig, the extension cab is a must. To get that volume, the second speaker makes the difference. Again, the lower frequencies need the power AND the speakers to make it happen. There's pretty much no way around it.
 
#16
dude if u can spend between $600-$800 u can get a small half stack with some power that'll fit in ur car for that price but if u want u can go to guitar center and get the markbass combo its suppossed to have 500watts. shop around for it so u can get the price down a bit they'll overcharge u for it like crazy ($1200.00 is what they wanted me to pay for it but the store down the street is sellin it for ($950)
 
#19
Thaos627 said:
dude if u can spend between $600-$800 u can get a small half stack with some power that'll fit in ur car for that price but if u want u can go to guitar center and get the markbass combo its suppossed to have 500watts. shop around for it so u can get the price down a bit they'll overcharge u for it like crazy ($1200.00 is what they wanted me to pay for it but the store down the street is sellin it for ($950)
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+1
My friend/bass teacher uses a MB combo. I think it's a single 15? Plenty of oomph for small clubs. Then he adds a 210 for the bigger shows. Sounds great!

I'm doing something similar.... A rack mounted LMII into a single Bag End SD15. PLENTY for small venues. I have another SD15 for when I need the extra push.

How about this?
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=734657

Then you could buy an extension speaker with the leftover $$.... Problem solved. :bassist:
 
#20
All you have to do is look up the amp's specs online. Amp manufacturers tell you power into minimum load (like 4 ohms) and simple math - or a bit of reading on TB - tells you that output into 8 ohms will be a smidge over half that.

Don't spend hundreds of dollars on an amp without checking the specs..and online access is all you need to check out an amp's specs. I've never had much of a problem finding specs, even on amps that are 30 years old.
 

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