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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

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Did someone say something about MIDI foot controllers? This is from the lab. Note the expression input port. There is also USB for getting things all set up. Lots of thought being put into this.
 
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rsmith601 said:
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Did someone say something about MIDI foot controllers? This is from the lab. Note the expression input port. There is also USB for getting things all set up. Lots of thought being put into this.
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oh man. I picked a great day to come back to Talkbass. I've been swamped at work but I saw the Midi Hub Manager post on FB and wanted to see if anyone is posting scenes yet and this is the first thing I saw.

Lots of questions :)
 
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rsmith601 said:
Did someone say something about MIDI foot controllers? This is from the lab. Note the expression input port. There is also USB for getting things all set up. Lots of thought being put into this.
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As a confirmed modulation junky, I had a couple of beautiful analog pedals on my board. Then one day, I tried the Orbital Modulator. I was hooked. While the tones were awesome what impressed me most was how easily I could get sounds in my head to come out of the pedal. It seemed like the knobs actually controlled what they were supposed to and that was it.

After coming up for air from the OM, next thing I knew I also had a Multiwave Bass Distortion, Dimension Reverb, Manta and Dual Expression Pedal. To say I was hooked was an understatement. The problem I was having was that I needed more than two presets per pedal. Currently the only SA pedal on my gigging board is the Manta.

IMO, what would have been ideal was if I could save a preset for each Effect Type on each pedal.

While I don't need scenes, I do need more presets per pedal. The Hub seems a step in the right direction. But in trying to minimize my board size, I don't want to add a Hub and a MIDI controller. If you come out with a product that combines the Hub and MIDI controller and has a display so I know where I am, I'll be all in.

I do think SA is on the forefront of effects design hitting the right blend of features, tone and user interface.

And, as a local Massachusetts'ite, if you ever need an unbiased beta tester, you know how to reach me. ;)
 
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Wow, there's some news :thumbsup:
That Hub Manager looks superb!
Two questions:
What happens if I import a scene that "has" a pedal in it that isn't connected? Like, someone with lots of pedals puts his scenes on the web, but I only have two pedals for instance.
Is there a way to copy a setting from a pedal into another scene? (other than export the scene and import it again).

The Midi Controller's very nice, but I'm a guy that needs the things right at his feet. Meaning, mooaaaaarrrr butttttons :roflmao:
 
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So after spending a lot of in depth time setting up my Hub, setting scenes, and tweaking my sounds I have noticed the following things.

The Hub Manager is awesome, I have not yet even started to use it really because just setting scenes manually is easy and intuitive enough. I am getting to the point where I have more sound ideas than preset room on my setup so I am going to take time this week and set up and save a few scenes.

OFD and blend - Does anyone else have a hard time getting a 100% clean blend with the OFD engaged? It seems that no matter what setting I'm on, when I try to adjust the blend there is always some coloration of the OFd even when all the way clean. Is that normal? This was the case before and after the update through the Hub (if it had one, I really dont remember at this point)

Hub Volume - When setting scenes it seems that the volume, and sometimes other control, seem to default to what its currently set at and not what I saved it as. So if a scene had the OFD at 12 o clock volume, but its currently set to 9 o clock, maybe 1 out of every 40-50 engages make it go to 9 oclock instead. I am not sure if this is something wrong with the MIDI chain, or somthing else. I am pretty certain my controller isnt sending out CC messages. I will double check just to be safe.

The OFD is great for the smallest things, like EQ changes and volumes adjustments. My Line 6 M5 has some cool patches that dont have a volume, or EQ, so the OFd immediately after allows me to change the sound to match what I need. So even thoug something else is making the main effect, its useless without an extra tool after it to help. Love that I can set it up so many different ways.

I still have way more ideas for sounds than I have money and time at the moment, but I am definitely getting closer and closer to my perfect setup, if there is one.
 
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rsmith601 said:
It is not a hub. It is a controller that is HIGHLY compatible and useful with the Hub.
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Ok, so, for the expression pedal connector: Does this mean that it will send the Expression pedal message to midi to the Hubv1 (as if it was connected) and to other midi enabled devices? Or does it just have a pass through/repeater for the expression pedal signal?

You don't have to answer :)
 
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You can plug your expression pedal into either the controller or the Hub. There are 2 advantages of going into the controller. First, as you move the pedal you can see a nice graphical representation of the sweep as well as the corresponding MIDI value. You can calibrate the pedal so you get the full range (0 to 127). You can also generate a MIDI control signal for other non-SA pedals. Lots of options and flexibility.
 
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adamaarts said:
So after spending a lot of in depth time setting up my Hub, setting scenes, and tweaking my sounds I have noticed the following things.



OFD and blend - Does anyone else have a hard time getting a 100% clean blend with the OFD engaged? It seems that no matter what setting I'm on, when I try to adjust the blend there is always some coloration of the OFd even when all the way clean. Is that normal? This was the case before and after the update through the Hub (if it had one, I really dont remember at this point)

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You are adding a buffer into your signal when you engage the effect. With a passive bass, this is certainly going to change the tone a bit. With an active bass it should be less. You are in a sense, giving your signal a bit of boost. So yes, this is very normal.
 
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adamaarts said:
So after spending a lot of in depth time setting up my Hub, setting scenes, and tweaking my sounds I have noticed the following things.

Hub Volume - When setting scenes it seems that the volume, and sometimes other control, seem to default to what its currently set at and not what I saved it as. So if a scene had the OFD at 12 o clock volume, but its currently set to 9 o clock, maybe 1 out of every 40-50 engages make it go to 9 oclock instead. I am not sure if this is something wrong with the MIDI chain, or somthing else. I am pretty certain my controller isnt sending out CC messages. I will double check just to be safe.

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We will check on this.
 
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Thanks for the replies Roger.

That MIDI controller looks interesting. So 'Mode' I am guessing (hoping) switches between scrolling presets with the foot switches and a mode where each button is a preset, which appears how it's set at the moment with the number son the screen.
 

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